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My 996TT - Purchase and running report

thebig25

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Had the car a couple of months so I thought I'd put up a running report as I did with my previous 996 C2:

My 2002 996 Carrera 2

Like that thread, I'll document what I'm doing with he car as time goes on. this will be wordy so I'll apologise in advance!

As much as I loved my C2 I did miss the punch of the B5 RS4 that I had previously. That car was tinkered with by Unit20/MRC/Viper and was putting out ~475BHP – It really did fly. Didn't handle that well, and the C2 was a far better, more balanced, drivers car, but was a bit lacking in the go department.

A friend who has a 996TT let me have a drive of his and that was it: I needed one in my life. Shortly after I had a go in another that has had the 9E treatment and I was then totally hooked so I found a buyer for the C2 and the search began.

Like my C2, this would be my daily driver. I have had toy cars (the RS4 was one) but my work and other interests means that they rarely get used and just end up sitting in the garage which, for me, is pointless as I wanted to enjoy driving it as often as possible.

My prime concern during the search was to find one in the best possible mechanical condition and history so that it would not let me down as a tool to get to and from clients, and would not drain my wallet straight after purchase. My ideal spec was black/black facelift with hardbacks and no PCM but I was actually pretty open about spec as none of the colours are horrific and they come loaded anyway. I was happy to look at modified cars as, from the advice I've been given by people I trust, these cars can take a level of modification in their stride as long as it has been done by somebody who knows what they are doing.

I often read threads on here about protecting resale value by buying low mileage unmodified cars, and I can understand that viewpoint but I buy a car for me, not the next owner, and any car I bought would accumulate miles (approx 15k PA) through daily use and depreciate anyway.

In the end I looked at a total of 6 cars. Initially I wanted to avoid the dealer margin so looked at 3 private cars, 2 of them nice enough but not for me, but the third, which was in nice condition (at least as far as I could see), had a decent history and drove really well. I really liked it so we agreed a price and I arranged a PPI.

The advice often given on here about getting a thorough PPI is spot on. Northway found £4k of remedial works to bring it to A1 condition, of which £3k's worth required immediate attention. Was still willing to take the car on as it was fundamentally sound, but the seller and I could not agree on a compromise price so it fell through.

After that experience I decided that a warranty and some comeback might be worthwhile so I began looking at dealer cars. It would stretch my budget but it seemed the best way forward. I took a couple of days off and went to have a look at 2 dealers (all Porsche specialists, one of them VERY well regarded with a lot of very expensive stock) and have to say that for the price they wanted (mid-to-late £20k's) both cars were, frankly, dogs. Bad paint work, suspect history and in one case obvious accident damage that was vehemently denied by the dealer.

At this point I had a rethink and decided I needed to save a bit more cash. Cancelled the sale of my C2 and tried to put it out of my mind. This failed and after a week of sulking I got permission to divert some cash from our house project fund and the search was back on!

As luck would have it the next day a car popped up locally on PistonHeads. Car was a 65k 2003 in Seal grey with Metropole sports seats and some nice mods, including RUF tuned PSS9's setup at Centre Gravity. Car was at ePorsch in Bisley so I popped along and had a look.

If you read my other thread you'll know that I believe that you know the right car when you see it, and in this case I got that feeling. As soon as I arrived I could see that the car had been well looked after, and this was further confirmed by the massive history file that came with the car, showing lots of care throughout its life at OPC's and good indys. Also had a lot of recent expenditure for the common turbo issues such as rads and condensers, coffin arms, actuators and pads/discs all round. Only things marking it down (that I could see) were 2 lowish rear tyres, an unidentifiable engine map (believed to be Superchips), a stone chipped front PU and an aftermarket Kenwood double DIN unit (thats a personal thing, hate the look of them!).

None of this put me off so after a really easy negotiation with Roly (ePorsch Owner) we agreed a price for the car including a fair trade in for my C2. It needed a major service, which Roly was going to do as part of the sale, but we negotiated a further discount as I wanted Northway to do it. Roly agreed to an inspection, as long as it was done at his premises and agreed to let whoever inspected it use his ramp so a full underbody examination could be done. This stipulation obviously limited my choice of inspector and the only real candidate was Peter Morgan. Now I've read a lot of commentary about Peter and the quality of his inspection, but in my case I think he did a thorough job and carried out all the things I asked him to do, with the exception of a boost and vacuum check which I would have liked to be done, but I thougt it was worth the risk as I had the warranty. Peter identified a few issues which Roly fixed without complaint, and finally the car was mine!

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Other than driving it home from ePorsch I didn't get to drive the car for the next 10 days as MrsBig25 and I flew of to NYC for our anniversary the next day. Whilst I was on holiday I researched the car and was pleased to find that the car has been owned by a forum member (Senoj) and a couple of PistonHeaders who all were gracious enough to answer some of the questions I had and verify the history of the car.

Upon my return I was itching to go out for a proper blast to get to know the car so I took the car on my favourite local run, a 100 mile loop from Basingstoke to Portsmouth and back via Petersfield and the Meon Valley.

First impressions were:
***** me its quick! Really, properly quick! Was also very surprised at how light the controls were when compared to the the C2. The clutch especially is much lighter, although a touch more vague. I was very worried that the lowered PSS9's would become tiresome over our less than perfect roads but needn't have been concerned; if anything they are more supple and less crashy than the M030 setup on my last C2. Senoj fitted a 997 Shift lever which is really nice compared to the aftermarket one I had on the C2. Handling wise there is no denying its not as agile as the C2, but its not as lardy as I thought it might be and it feels more planted than the C2 which I find builds confidence. Again, the car has been tuned by CG and I didn't push the other TT's I test drove all that hard so I don't know how different from a standard car it is.

Some things I wasn't so keen on:
The engine map, whilst undeniably unleashing numerous ponies, was a bit all over the place with an all or nothing delivery and a very aggressive throttle map which also made it a bit of a pain in the bum to drive in traffic. The standard cars I drove and the 9E tuned car all had a nice progressive power delivery that was much nicer. So that would be coming off
You could really feel that heavy engine moving about behind you. I changed the mounts on my C2 and found it enormously tightened up the handling so will be doing that with this car too.
The aftermarket headunit really didn't do it for me. Very trick and nothing wrong with it per se, but I just don't like them and I wanted to install a GT3 console delete kit so that will be going too
The front PU is really stone chipped and it does my head in everytime I look at it so that will need doing too.

I spent the next few weeks using the car everyday, and went over it with a fine tooth comb to make a list of any parts and trim that looked like they might need replacing or had gone walkies over the last 11 years. Ended up with a list of about 15 small parts like trim clips etc that came to £46 from the Reading OPC. I also replaced the Pilot sport N3's on the back and planned what I was going to do to the stereo, something I'll cover in a future post. Car also got a thorough detailing using the Zymol kit I bought for my previous car.

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The car then went into Northway for a major service and brake fluid change, removal of the map to return to standard, and a suspension geometry check against CG settings. As part of the service I asked them to also do a second inspection on the car and a boost/Vacuum check for my own peace of mind. This did turn up a few small issues Peter Morgan didn't catch, but thankfully it was nothing serious and were simple low cost fixes.

It hasn't been all plain sailing though. Driving back to work one afternoon I stopped at my office security gate and the car just died. Tried to restart it but although it would turn over it would not fire. The security guards helped me push it to a safe place and I called Roly at ePorsch who immediately agreed to take the car back and fix it. The AA recovered it back to Bisley and Roly and his guys got stuck in. At this point I was thankful for the warranty as I was imagining a huge repair bill, but it turned out to be a simple failure of the camshaft position sensor on bank 1. With this part replaced the car started first time and has been trouble free since.

Have to say I'm impressed with ePorsch- its not that they do anything otherworldly, but they are really easy to deal with, do what they say they are going to do and communicate really well. Sounds simple but in my experience many Porsche indy dealers don't do this very well.

I've got some work to do-I'm going to get the RSS engine mounts fitted and may do the 997 GT3 transmission mount upgrade too. The old map has now gone and i'd like that power back, but that won't get done until the wallet has calmed down enough to get it in at 9E. I'm going to get Tyrone at Riviera to do a front end respray on it to get rid of the stone chips. Quite fancy the Aerokit front spoiler but will see how I get on with the standard one for a few months as I think I might trash the Aero one.

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Overall I'm really happy with it. Like many on here I had the 911 Turbo poster on my wall and I really am living a bit of a dream owning one. Now that the map has been removed its great to drive and I find myself stealing time where I can to 'pop up the shop for a paper' which always seems to take me over an hour!
 
:thumb: Nice story.

996s look really great in Seal Grey. After 3.5 years in my C4 I fancied a change but have regretted it many times since.

I'm looking forward to your updates. Hopefully all will be to report things you have chosen to do rather than things that were forced upon you.
 
Great write up, seeing your pictures I know exactly where you are now, I also remember your avus RS. I had an avus one at the same time. I am literally a mile from you...

Car looks great by the way :thumb:

Darren.
 
DJones said:
Great write up, seeing your pictures I know exactly where you are now, I also remember your avus RS. I had an avus one at the same time. I am literally a mile from you...

Car looks great by the way :thumb:

Darren.

Cheers!

I remember seeing another Avus RS in Basingstoke- must of been you!

Still miss that car and am seriously considering putting Recaro Poles in the 996 after having them in the RS4.
 
Nice read,
And I like the way the wheels suit the colour of your car. :thumb:
 
T8 said:
:thumb: Nice story.

996s look really great in Seal Grey. After 3.5 years in my C4 I fancied a change but have regretted it many times since.

I'm looking forward to your updates. Hopefully all will be to report things you have chosen to do rather than things that were forced upon you.

curious as to what you mean - you have regretted it many times
regretting changing from a C4 to a turbo?
jim
 
Jimboger911 said:
T8 said:
:thumb: Nice story.

996s look really great in Seal Grey. After 3.5 years in my C4 I fancied a change but have regretted it many times since.

I'm looking forward to your updates. Hopefully all will be to report things you have chosen to do rather than things that were forced upon you.

curious as to what you mean - you have regretted it many times
regretting changing from a C4 to a turbo?
jim

:D No - although I do sometimes miss the old girl.

What I meant was ......... My favourite 996 colour was/is Seal Grey. After 3.5 years with a car in that colour I didn't consider getting a Seal Grey 996T. Since then, whenever I see one in that colour I find myself regretting that decision.
 
T8 said:
Jimboger911 said:
T8 said:
:thumb: Nice story.

996s look really great in Seal Grey. After 3.5 years in my C4 I fancied a change but have regretted it many times since.

I'm looking forward to your updates. Hopefully all will be to report things you have chosen to do rather than things that were forced upon you.

curious as to what you mean - you have regretted it many times
regretting changing from a C4 to a turbo?
jim

:D No - although I do sometimes miss the old girl.

What I meant was ......... My favourite 996 colour was/is Seal Grey. After 3.5 years with a car in that colour I didn't consider getting a Seal Grey 996T. Since then, whenever I see one in that colour I find myself regretting that decision.

Phew - that's a relief - I'd read that the same as Jimboger911.
 
Nice Turbo mate. I didn't think I'd seen your C2 at work for a while. I've got rid of my B5 WB now and am also going to PX my A5 in and get myself a 996 TT too :thumb:
 
Erm.... it's gone!

Working on a new contract with a train commute meant the car just wasn't getting used much because I took our Honda snotter to the station, and when I had to use it because my wife was using said snotter, it was sitting in a railway station car park, which I felt guilty about.

Thought about keeping it as a second car, but I just don't have the time to use it properly at the weekends, and can't warrant that much money siting on the drive doing nothing, even if it is an appreciating asset.

I thought about selling it myself, but I hate the whole process with a passion so in the end I arranged a sale or return deal with Ray Northway who put it up for a realistic price and secured a buyer in just a few days. In the end I got back exactly what I paid for it.

In terms of costs, in the 10 months I had it I it cost me about £1000 in repairs outside of the standard servicing and consumables, with £500 of that coming from buying a replacement spoiler assembly from a forum member in the last few weeks. The rest was little odds and sods that soon mount up.

Would I buy another one? I don't know. I will say that as much as I liked it, I didn't find it as pleasing to drive as my previous 996.2 C2, and didn't connect with it the same way. Yes it was monstrously fast, but I'm not sure it was as much fun- it's almost too good! Think you've probably got to be a better driver than I am to get the most out of it, but I do remember another forum member buying one and selling it soon after as he didn't connect with it. I can say I've ticked it off of my automotive bucket list though.

What I have realised is that once you've had a 911 it does taint your view of pretty much everything else- Wife and I spent the weekend trawling the dealerships to find a station car that would be fun at weekends and everything else just seemed a bit...meh! So, with that in mind I've just put a deposit down on a sub £10k early 3.4 996. I pick it up next week. how badly wrong could it go!
 
Great read - Like it - You just reminded me of the painful process I had to go through when I was looking to find mine

:thumb:

PS - You look like my twin brother :grin:
 
Great write up ! Glad you are enjoying the beast.
I also had a B5 RS4 MRCtuned running 509ps......after I sold it it was really difficult to "readjust" .....every cars I tried after felt slow and boring !!!
RS4 were great fun but the handling and braking balance were rubbish.
The 996 TT's are really good but very hard to reach the limits on UK roads.
I find the steering excellent, braking balance really good (with few little tweaks even better). That engine and box is a piece of art .
I wanted to sell mine at spring time but think to stick with it for a little bit longer. :thumb:
 
Great thread - really enjoyed that


Osh
 

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