100K miles. Is yours above or below?

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On this subject who out there has the sports pack fitted so M030, diff etc and how have they lasted?

The suspension, arbs and diff really seem to be appeal but in reality will they not be past their best by these sort of mileages so shouldn't really command a premium as they will have to be replaced relatively soon.

You can then upgrade at this point so a base spec is maybe not really any less off?

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BK911 said:

@harv
@marky911

I see your points about aircooled nostalgia and they also needed rebuilds (mine had a £5500 jzm topend) but the point was they did this after plenty of use..

I'm interested in finding out about things outside the engine.. I looked at a car last week that was mechanical sound. It's bodybwork was also excellent but it's interior squeeked over every bump and looked well soiled!

The 964 didn't squeak and it's seats, plastics etc etc all aged really well. It felt bomb proof to me, the best car I've ever owned! It was solid.

The mechanical clunk of a door shutting or the way the dash just wouldn't rattle in my old car left me with an impression that Porsche are robust, you pay for it but it delivers.

My brother ownes the car below... it's lovely and feels amazing but gets driven in the dry for a couple of thousand km a year! Hardly a test of its build quality. EVO demonstrated with the 458 that it could be used everyday and rack on the miles without any bother.

Can you do this in the 996 & 997?

Before my current daily M3 i had a Lotus Evora.. Lovely thing but after 20k miles (30k miles in total) was showing signs of fatigue all over. Shocks squeek, Water ingress, Headlight lens peeling, seats dye fading, rubber seals looking grey and numerous other minor snags like the sat nav freezing. Sold it and bought an M3 that has been faultless and just hasn't aged a day aesthetically in 2.5 years and 20k miles.. it's solid and built out of quality materials! Great car but not me, I don't love it like the Evora or the 964.

Is the 996 and 997 a quality product? Will it do 150k miles and still feel good?

(Off topic - I know about the ims etc but will it last? I'm looking at 2004/05 996's and 2006 997's :thumb

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Evenin' BK,
It sounds like the car you looked at last week just maybe hadn't been looked after as well as some.
The interior of my 996 is light grey so shows up grime if there is any. My grey 964 interior was exactly the same albeit it had 90k on but they aren't poles apart. Grimy gear knob, steering wheel a bit shiny etc. All easily rectified.

My 964s ( I had a C2 manual coupe, then a 964 Turbo) weren't problem free in the interior department either. Broken window switches, my sunroof panel headlining used to buzz and the leather dashboard on 964s always shrinks, which in turn makes both ends pull up where they meet the doors, pulling the vents out of shape and fitment.

They did feel like they were produced slightly better and they probably were, as it was before the bean counters took the reigns at Porsche. Having said that, boy can 964s rust!

I've never got the door clunk thing and have commented on it before. The old cars make a "clack" sound which I think is bloody 'orrible.
Add to that the fact that you can usually hear the heater flaps under the car rattle too, as it rocks from closing the door and I never thought of it as a sound that said "quality". I appreciate that I am in the minority here though, especially amongst air-cooled guys.
A 996 sounds solid and sealed in comparison, but either way I don't base too much of my enjoyment from listening to my door close. :grin:

A good 996/7 is totally usable as a daily and barring a major mechanical failure will definitely last in exactly the same way a 964 would. They'll need a suspension refresh to be tip top and other general items such as rads and condensers, but they are still very well made.

I love the Loti but think of them the same as TVR. Great for a summer car but not built to last. Your M3 on the other hand will be superb, as you've said. I'm a massive BMW fan.

If I was you I'd search for a Gen 2 997 which are from 2009 onwards. DFi engine with almost no reported failures, in comparison to gen1 cars. A Gen 2 GTS would be a great daily car. My neighbour had one and has just changed it for a 991GTS.

Nice 991RS your brother has there. Awesome cars.
I'm at Silverstone in a couple of weeks time drive the Gen2 GT3. Looking forward to it. I was there last year driving a Macan Turbo and GT4. Great fun.
The halo models are the only new cars that interest me. :wink:

Anyway, good luck with your search. :thumb:

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e92 said:

BK911 said:

Marky911 said:

BK911 said:

@harv
@marky911

I see your points about aircooled nostalgia and they also needed rebuilds (mine had a £5500 jzm topend) but the point was they did this after plenty of use..

I'm interested in finding out about things outside the engine.. I looked at a car last week that was mechanical sound. It's bodybwork was also excellent but it's interior squeeked over every bump and looked well soiled!

The 964 didn't squeak and it's seats, plastics etc etc all aged really well. It felt bomb proof to me, the best car I've ever owned! It was solid.

The mechanical clunk of a door shutting or the way the dash just wouldn't rattle in my old car left me with an impression that Porsche are robust, you pay for it but it delivers.

My brother ownes the car below... it's lovely and feels amazing but gets driven in the dry for a couple of thousand km a year! Hardly a test of its build quality. EVO demonstrated with the 458 that it could be used everyday and rack on the miles without any bother.

Can you do this in the 996 & 997?

Before my current daily M3 i had a Lotus Evora.. Lovely thing but after 20k miles (30k miles in total) was showing signs of fatigue all over. Shocks squeek, Water ingress, Headlight lens peeling, seats dye fading, rubber seals looking grey and numerous other minor snags like the sat nav freezing. Sold it and bought an M3 that has been faultless and just hasn't aged a day aesthetically in 2.5 years and 20k miles.. it's solid and built out of quality materials! Great car but not me, I don't love it like the Evora or the 964.

Is the 996 and 997 a quality product? Will it do 150k miles and still feel good?

(Off topic - I know about the ims etc but will it last? I'm looking at 2004/05 996's and 2006 997's :thumb

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Evenin' BK,
It sounds like the car you looked at last week just maybe hadn't been looked after as well as some.
The interior of my 996 is light grey so shows up grime if there is any. My grey 964 interior was exactly the same albeit it had 90k on but they aren't poles apart. Grimy gear knob, steering wheel a bit shiny etc. All easily rectified.

My 964s ( I had a C2 manual coupe, then a 964 Turbo) weren't problem free in the interior department either. Broken window switches, my sunroof panel headlining used to buzz and the leather dashboard on 964s always shrinks, which in turn makes both ends pull up where they meet the doors, pulling the vents out of shape and fitment.

They did feel like they were produced slightly better and they probably were, as it was before the bean counters took the reigns at Porsche. Having said that, boy can 964s rust!

I've never got the door clunk thing and have commented on it before. The old cars make a "clack" sound which I think is bloody 'orrible.
Add to that the fact that you can usually hear the heater flaps under the car rattle too, as it rocks from closing the door and I never thought of it as a sound that said "quality". I appreciate that I am in the minority here though, especially amongst air-cooled guys.
A 996 sounds solid and sealed in comparison, but either way I don't base too much of my enjoyment from listening to my door close. :grin:

A good 996/7 is totally usable as a daily and barring a major mechanical failure will definitely last in exactly the same way a 964 would. They'll need a suspension refresh to be tip top and other general items such as rads and condensers, but they are still very well made.

I love the Loti but think of them the same as TVR. Great for a summer car but not built to last. Your M3 on the other hand will be superb, as you've said. I'm a massive BMW fan.

If I was you I'd search for a Gen 2 997 which are from 2009 onwards. DFi engine with almost no reported failures, in comparison to gen1 cars. A Gen 2 GTS would be a great daily car. My neighbour had one and has just changed it for a 991GTS.

Nice 991RS your brother has there. Awesome cars.
I'm at Silverstone in a couple of weeks time drive the Gen2 GT3. Looking forward to it. I was there last year driving a Macan Turbo and GT4. Great fun.
The halo models are the only new cars that interest me. :wink:

Anyway, good luck with your search. :thumb:

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Thanks for this input. Surfing pistonheads a lot now! 996's are more my budget and desire.

Drove the 991 RS two weeks ago in the mountains outside Nice.. Almost felt Lotus like in its hunkered down grippy way! Lotu are mechanically very robust (I also have a Supercharged Elise, two solid days at Spa and Zolder recently, felt exactly the same as the day before I drove it there.. but yup you're right, it's a bit of a summer car.. leaving it outside in the rain does it no good. But it's way more solid a prospect than a TVR!)

@str12 I'm test driving a 996 C4s tomorrow, really appeal to me. Love the line and interior. I'm a leftfield car type.. Alfa, Lotus and aircooled 911... 996 is now an older car but from what I'm reading a decent well engineered car. 100k miles won't be putting me off subject to all the refresh and engine stuff being sorted.

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Coming from an E92 m3, I'm not sure the 996 C4s would feel as fast (in a straight line), but you will enjoy other aspects such as the driving position, and the overall feeling you get in the Porsche - its hard to explain. Either way good luck :thumbs:

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sim996 said:

101k on the clocks, but engine is having a rebuild. Also planning on refreshing the gearbox. Even the seats are new and most suspension components were replaced before I bought it, having had it checked out and wax treated at CofG. New fuel pump and lines and coolant hoses, need to check the ones running to the front, so should have a fairly new car under the skin. Still, 101k is high mileage, so completely worthless.

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