997.2 C4S, 2010, 58k miles, manual - value?

[Gottans]

Seriously considering getting rid of my 997.2 C4S.

Car is a 997.2 C4S with approx 58k miles, spec wise is meteor grey, sports seats, PSE, sport chrono, manual box, full OPC history.

The negatives of owning it are out-weighing any enjoyment so wondering what to advertise it at, expect to sell at.

Appreciate people's thoughts.

 

[Punchdrunked]

I see quite a few of these threads in the Porsche community and don't understand the question being asked, after all it should be the seller that should know what to list a car for rather than asking the community.

When I look to sell a car, I want to know a few things:

- How much does the car owe me?
- How much are similar aged cars being advertised for and how long have they been advertised for. info is available on AT.
- How quickly do I want to sell the car?
- What is the trade price of the car.

The price of your car is somewhere in there somewhere but I admit you'll have to do some work for it. Or someone might just make you an offer that you can't refuse.

Good luck with it.

 

[Nervus]

As anything, it depends on the condition and how it presents. Over the years, I've struggled to sell anything over £10k privately as its too much of a risk for any individual.

I'd use one of the specialists and accept they have a margin (~£3 to 5k depending on prep required) to apply to maintain their business. If its a good example you should do ok.

 

[IMI A]

£40k trade and £45k retail? £42.5k private? It would have to be A1 condition to command those prices IMO however spec and history sound spot on. Really underated 911 one of my faves.

911 Virgin worth a call to sell outright or SOR.

 

[Poker2009]

Seriously considering getting rid of my 997.2 C4S.

Car is a 997.2 C4S with approx 58k miles, spec wise is meteor grey, sports seats, PSE, sport chrono, manual box, full OPC history.

The negatives of owning it are out-weighing any enjoyment so wondering what to advertise it at, expect to sell at.

Appreciate people's thoughts.

What are the "negatives"?!

 

[T8]

A Gen2 C4S with a manual box is quite a rare beast so it's quite difficult to gauge demand and therefore value.

I suspect that, when spec'ing the car from new, those that wanted a manual box didn't want 4wd and those that preferred 4wd also preferred PDK.

The market seems pretty flat at the moment so it depends how desperate you are to sell. Going the SoR route will get you the best return and will save you being exposed to time-wasters and trade-buyers.

Selling to the trade will be the quickest but less lucrative way of doing it as, in my experience Porsche specialists will look to pay £10k less than they expect to retail a car for. They need to cover preparation and warranty costs and VAT before they make any profit and will also need a war-chest to fix other issues that they can't get underwritten.

If you can find a similar car to yours advertised for sale at a dealer I'd knock £6k off that for it to be an attractive private sale.

SoR or privately I think you should definitely be looking to clear at least £40k.

 

[CJZ119]

Seriously considering getting rid of my 997.2 C4S.

Car is a 997.2 C4S with approx 58k miles, spec wise is meteor grey, sports seats, PSE, sport chrono, manual box, full OPC history.

The negatives of owning it are out-weighing any enjoyment so wondering what to advertise it at, expect to sell at.

Appreciate people's thoughts.

Can I ask what you feel are the negatives of owning this car?

 

[Gottans]

Seriously considering getting rid of my 997.2 C4S.

Car is a 997.2 C4S with approx 58k miles, spec wise is meteor grey, sports seats, PSE, sport chrono, manual box, full OPC history.

The negatives of owning it are out-weighing any enjoyment so wondering what to advertise it at, expect to sell at.

Appreciate people's thoughts.

Can I ask what you feel are the negatives of owning this car?

Where to start, bought the car at just under 6 years old with full OPC history so have rightly or wrongly maintained that.

Had a few problems with it that get sorted out under warranty but noticed tiny dents appearing in the rear quarter panels, after 6 months of ownership get the big 6 year service due. Basically the bodywork gets trashed by the OPC (both rear quarter panels looked like golf balls covered in dimples, passenger window gouged, the paint literally ripped off the sill down to the black anti-corrosion coating (HOW??), rear seat leather scratched and ripped.

Cue BIG argument with OPC after 6 months ownership, these buggers just grind you down to the point you just want to thump someone, end result is I end up paying £5k to sort it out. Cue second mistake of using an approved bodyshop, 7 trips to get it sorted out. I can tell the difference between primer and metallic grey sparky paint but they can't, idiots.

So I find another OPC to look after the car, have a quiet period with car but get to the 12 year service and it all gets balls'd up in a way I never imagined any garage would. After some hard brake lines changed the car is returned with no frigging brakes because they (Tech & Master Tech) can't identify the calipers have 2 bleed nipples.

Overall, anything that is official Porsche or approved by them is not only lethal to your wallet but also your life, these people are just incompetent. There is a Google review for that OPC including the brake problem in black and white as they don't have a leg to stand on with that one and deserve to be embarrassed for a very very long time.

I have owned cars for over 30 years from cheap to premium brands and Porsche are the absolute worst, I raised the brake failure with Porsche GB and had to explain why having no brakes on a car was a problem, where do they find these idiots! Still never got any kind of response from Porsche GB on that either.

So after all that I have just had enough.

 

[drmark]

:coat:

 

[TurboSandGT4]

I sympathise with the OP

But for me OPC service is so much better than Nissan/Mercedes
They are all human and mistakes happen. Not sure if you will get a better service with any of the more premium luxury brands so dont know what to recommend really...

 

[drmark]

I sympathise with the OP

But for me OPC service is so much better than Nissan/Mercedes
They are all human and mistakes happen. Not sure if you will get a better service with any of the more premium luxury brands so dont know what to recommend really...

It's a tough one if you are let down by different OPCs, on more than occasion. Never happened to me.
How you respond matters though. And, not meaning to have a go, but losing your rag and calling people idiots etc doesn't help. Disappointed and upset yes, but polite and assertive when trying to get an OPC to put something right tends to have more effect.

 

[Gottans]

I sympathise with the OP

But for me OPC service is so much better than Nissan/Mercedes
They are all human and mistakes happen. Not sure if you will get a better service with any of the more premium luxury brands so dont know what to recommend really...

It's a tough one if you are let down by different OPCs, on more than occasion. Never happened to me.
How you respond matters though. And, not meaning to have a go, but losing your rag and calling people idiots etc doesn't help. Disappointed and upset yes, but polite and assertive when trying to get an OPC to put something right tends to have more effect.

I understand what you are saying but getting a car back with defective brakes and being let loose on the roads does not deserve a polite response. I would say there is a difference between a robust and direct conversation with the Dealer Principal and an opinion on a forum. The fact a car in that state got released to the customer shows a complete failure of every process and procedure in the service department.

The fact Porsche GB based upon the response at the time do not appear to care is the real problem.

P.S. If a dealer sold a car in the same condition i.e. in a dangerous condition that mine was returned in they can be prosecuted as a result, a dealer got a year in prison for selling dangerous cars.

https://www.retailmotorlaw.co.uk/in...nsafe-vehicles&catid=34:our-company&Itemid=78