stokie1 said:- having never driven a 991 I am assuming the interior has moved on demonstrably as the 997 felt old 10 years ago
stokie1 said:- does the 991 make a good noise - v important
stokie1 said:- ive only ever had manuals - how is the pdk?
stokie1 said:- the s has 400 bhp? - noticeably quicker than the equivalent 997?
stokie1 said:- is it still a sports car or a tourer?
stokie1 said:- essential extras?
stokie1 said:has anyone considered the following instead
- f type 5L
- f360
- aston
- R8
stokie1 said:what would you do?
T8 said:I had an excellent day at the Silverstone Porsche Experience Centre last week driving a 991.2S. In addition to getting some invaluable driver training nearly 2 hours in the driving seat gave me a great chance to thoroughly assess what I had thought would be my next 911 and the 150 mile drive each way in my current car proved to be a useful back-to-back comparison session.
I chose to forego the 0-60 and back to 0 opportunity that many experienced and spent extra time on the superb handling circuit, kick-plate and ice-hill. The opportunity to find how what happens to a 911 on black ice - with and without the different levels of PSM - was incredible and this bit, more than any other, I'd seriously recommend to anyone planning to drive their car all year round.
The 991S performed fantastically on the handling circuit and was a real joy to drive but it came across as a whole different car to any 996 or 997 I'd driven before but the traction and push from the rear made it clear that this is still undeniably a true 911 and a proper sports car. On the short test track where maximum speeds attainable are only c80 mph the car itself didn't feel any different to the 991.1S I'd driven previously. The power delivery was so linear that I certainly wouldn't have realised I was driving a Turbo and the interior was so similar to every 981/991 I'd driven before that I could have been driving any of them. As a car to drive regularly I'm convinced that any 981/991 would be superb and I doubt that the move to smaller capacity turbo-charged engines will put off buyers of new cars. I'm equally certain however that it'll be the last normally aspirated cars that will become the most sought after by enthusiasts.
Jumping back into my own car the mid-noughties style of the interior was significant. I've always thought of the pre-996 dash layouts as being ancient and that the 996/997 gave a nice blend of classic v modern. In reality, compared to a 991 they all just look 'old'. That's not a criticism but it is a fact. Many will prefer the pre-2012 look, and it probably suits the character of those cars, but it would definitely put me off buying a late 997 over an early 991 if prices were similar.
At the moment however all 981/991 cars are still significantly more expensive to buy than their equivalent predecessors and that is enough to reinforce my intention to 'stick' for at least another 12 months. With any luck a combination of holding values of the 997T and depreciation of an early 991C4S will mean that the 'cost to change' will get less.
More importantly, as a car to drive occasionally - as I do - the 997T remains special. The frustration of not being able to 'stretch her legs' very often is probably no different to what I would experience in any other 911 and the 21 mpg average when only doing 6k miles a year is palatable. My drive home from Silverstone underlined my thoughts that, whilst a Turbo can be driven like a Carrera, when conditions allow a Carrera can't perform like a Turbo.
I've always been one to think of my next car, often soon after I've just bought a current one, but sometimes there comes a time when those thoughts can be comfortably put on hold for a while.
That's where I am now.
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Monkeynutz said:...looked around for a good 991.1 C4S but nice ones were over 65k for the 2012/13 launch models and some of those had some strange specs...
Rob325114 said:Monkeynutz said:...looked around for a good 991.1 C4S but nice ones were over 65k for the 2012/13 launch models and some of those had some strange specs...
Outside of the strange specs, are there any other reasons that you wouldn't consider a launch car? I see the value on some of these as fairly good - but want to make sure I'm not looking at a lemon for some reason!
Monkeynutz said:Rob325114 said:Monkeynutz said:...looked around for a good 991.1 C4S but nice ones were over 65k for the 2012/13 launch models and some of those had some strange specs...
Outside of the strange specs, are there any other reasons that you wouldn't consider a launch car? I see the value on some of these as fairly good - but want to make sure I'm not looking at a lemon for some reason!
No reason at all. I was focused very much on C4S at the time and some of those I saw at the OPC that appeared to be fairly good value in the scheme of things just had fairly low specs and when compared to a tidy well spec'd 2010/11 model I couldn't get excited by them. For example my local OPC had a racing yellow 2012 manual C4S for £67k with 40k miles and black sport wheels, PSE but missing other bits but the deal breaker for me was that it had the light grey/blue interior which for me just wasn't going to work, it did for someone eventually.
The 2012 991.1 C4S I considered at another OPC was £70k with 35k miles, it had PDK, no chrono but sunroof and 14 way electric seats so seemed a bit off to me. Other than that it was a lovely motor in Silver. It looked mint but at £20k more than the almost perfect spec MY2011 997.2 C4S sat next to it I was able to convince myself quickly that the 997 was a no brainer.
This was all because I was very much focused at the time on getting that sexy wide body booty so dismissed the other C2s early on. On reflection that was a mistake born out of ignorance. Live and learn but I have never regretted my eventual purchase.
The only real conflict I had was between that 997 and a 2012 991.1 C2S with 45k miles being sold by Portiacraft at the time, one with PDCC in agate grey i think for just under £60k which looked stunning but the extra 9k and no OPC warranty helped me decide on the 997.
I have noticed that good early 991.1s don't hang around for long at the reputable dealers and for good reason.
Hope that helps
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