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Smokey start up!

SimonH81

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Hi All,

Ok so bit of a long story but best to tell all of it and get a fair view from you. Bought the Mrs and Gen 2 987 Boxster around this time last year. The garage replaced all the coolant pipes before we collected but seemingly didn't let it self bleed enough. A week later on her first longer journey the temp went sky high and said low coolant level. She stopped immediately and the garage recovered the car and her.

They drained and re filled the system, kept the car for a week and did about 200 miles to ensure it was fully bled over long and short journeys. The car kept perfect temperature and we got it back.

Then every so often, with absolutely no pattern it gives a big puff of white smoke on start up. It went back in and they replaced the air oil separator and all the pipework too. The parts were bought from local Porsche dealership and we thought all was sorted. Then a week or so later we get another very smokey start up.

After continued random smokey start ups, it went to a Porsche specialist who removed and cleaned out all the inlets from the residual oil. that had been left before the air oil separator was replaced. They advise it could still take a few months for it to burn off and clear completely. However, nearly a year later it still does very smokey start ups on random occasions. Since the clean out the car has done about 4000 miles.

The car holds temperature perfectly all the time, it's not used and ounce of water/coolant or oil in all that time but yet we still get this smoky start up from time to time.

Sometime sit can do it twice in a few days, other times it won't do it for two weeks :frustrated:

I'm now thinking could it be a faulty Coolant Temp sensor or mass air flow sensor??
Is it getting a false reading and putting in too much fuel on start up particularly even driven lightly the car is bad on fuel.

I know everyone says they can give a little puff of smoke on start up, which sometimes it does and no issue with that but this is a lot.

Its the fact there's no pattern making me think is it a sensor?
 
How has the car been driven before each smokey start up?
Have a really hard think about the driving the day before!!
I've seen cars seemingly randomly smoke on start up but it's usually been because the previous time it was driven the oil was hotter than normal and thin enough to get by stem seals guides etc. Then on cold start up next morning whammo, smoke on start up.
If the car has been driven gently or on a short journey the time before the oil might not be as thin. Maybe give that some thinking. Anyway, only an idea based on previous experience.
 
Video of the fault please so we can see the issue .

if we look at it logically ..

You have used no oil or water in 4k miles ? .. if there was an issue with either getting into a cylinder then they would drop .

It takes a tiny amount of oil to give a puff of smoke but as you are not using any then what else .. hmm ..

The cats when operating produce water .. it's a by product .. this will sit in the exhaust so that's a possible ..

Cleaning out the inlet manifold of oil .. that won't make a difference .. the oil left sitting there would be sucked in pretty quickly and unless being replaced by fresh oil then it would soon stop .. these cars often have oil in the inlet tracts .. its normal .

Again no oil usage and it cant be that .

Excessive oil from an AOS into the exhaust will take longer to clear ... that won't give start up smoke but more later on as it burns off , should be fine by now though .

if we take it to extremes then Bore score .. oil will get into the cylinders .. rare for a G2 but possible .. again no oil usage so how can it be that .

I'm with Parsley here ....

I don't feel there is an issue ..

A video would certainly help though as a lot of people here know the difference from normal to there being a problem .

My 2 pennys anyways .
 
I used to very occasionally get the the odd smokey start up and was thinking of getting the air/oil separator changed.

Then my tandem pump failed, this was replaced and since them I've not had a single smokey start up.

:dont know:
 
Hi All,

Thanks for advice so far. I originally also thought it was because of how it was driven. If I drove it a bit harder then it smoked but again there is no pattern and does it after she has driven it gently as well. Btw, car is low mileage as well (42k miles)

The water from the cat is a good shout as it mainly only does short journeys (3 miles out and 3 miles back) but again when it does a 100 mile + trip it sometimes does it next start up after that so again no pattern.

I'm no mechanic AT ALL but the reason i thought it may be a sensor was that it doesn't seem to happen much on very cold days (although it does sometimes) and was thinking does it think it's colder than it actually is and put more fuel in causing the smoke.

CANNOT ATTACH VIDEO- When I do and submit I just get "No post mode specified". Any help please?
 
Is it steam/vapour. Or smoke?
What does the smoke smell of? Fuel or oil etc or cat perhaps
 
Definitely Smoke.

Difficult to say really. In all honesty i could probably convince myself any of those
 
Email me the video and i'll sort it .. it has to be uploaded to youtube and then a link to work here ... logging soon so it might not be till tomorrow night .

[email protected]

The fueling question .. you would have a fault code or running problems i would have thought .. an over fuel would give very black smoke from the exhaust .

water is a white colour with oil being more a blue / grey colour .

Off hand i have to say i doubt it's over fueling at times and causing smoke issues .. anything is possible though so i never say never .

Seeing what you are talking about would help a hell of a lot though .

A fault code readout would also be useful but perhaps wait until we see the video and can comment from there .
 
I was led to believe that it's the nature of a flat six to do the odd smokey start up?

But as DeMort says a video showing the colour and quantity of smoke will give a better idea :thumb:
 
I have experienced it on occasion especially if the car has not been parked on level surface .........
 
madalaa said:
I have experienced it on occasion especially if the car has not been parked on level surface .........

Thanks but our driveway is completely flat
 
Well, looks like a drop of oil in bores on start up for whatever reason.

And with that, I'm out.
 
Hmmm

Thats definitely oil..
Seems really odd that it isnt using any at all.

If i had to guess,it seems like classic valve stem oil seal wear.
 
Why not the AOS??

Sorry just read the first post, I would still question if it was even done?
 

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