993 C2 1994 206,000m

[olivers]

I like the silver car but buying my GT3 has really put 993 prices into perspective. I paid c.£80k for a very clean 37k 997.1, which is objectively (and in some cases - engine - subjectively) better than my 993 in every way.

Yet what would a U.K. delivered 993 RS make at those miles? 300k? I.e. The thick end of an additional quarter million pounds.

And the equivalent car at the same price point is maybe an 80k mile C4S.

Don't get me wrong, I love my C2 and if push came to shove it's the one I'd keep, but scarcity/halo/investment effect seems to be trumping logic when it comes to air cooled.

 

[carkid]

It's been said before- but considering the prices some classic cars are making I still think 40 odd grand for a looked after 993 is good value.

My father always says 'why pay good money for an old car that was
rubbish when it was new'- ie at auction folk are paying big money for mk1 Escorts etc that hardly compete with Porsche for build quality and performance......although I accept there are many factors that equate to market price eg scarcity.

I'm very much liking white 993's - this looks a beauty- but £77k

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...arrera-4-s-very-rare-in-glacier-white/6266945

 

[HPNer]

I'm very much liking white 993's - this looks a beauty- but £77k

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...arrera-4-s-very-rare-in-glacier-white/6266945

" . . . never driven hard in my ownership". . . .!!!

Sorry, I'm out!
:grin:

 

[Robertb]

I like the silver car but buying my GT3 has really put 993 prices into perspective. I paid c.£80k for a very clean 37k 997.1, which is objectively (and in some cases - engine - subjectively) better than my 993 in every way.

Yet what would a U.K. delivered 993 RS make at those miles? 300k? I.e. The thick end of an additional quarter million pounds.

And the equivalent car at the same price point is maybe an 80k mile C4S.

Don't get me wrong, I love my C2 and if push came to shove it's the one I'd keep, but scarcity/halo/investment effect seems to be trumping logic when it comes to air cooled.

Burn the witch, burn the witch! :whitedevil:

 

[ChrisT70]

It's been said before- but considering the prices some classic cars are making I still think 40 odd grand for a looked after 993 is good value.

My father always says 'why pay good money for an old car that was
rubbish when it was new'- ie at auction folk are paying big money for mk1 Escorts etc that hardly compete with Porsche for build quality and performance......although I accept there are many factors that equate to market price eg scarcity.

I'm very much liking white 993's - this looks a beauty- but £77k

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...arrera-4-s-very-rare-in-glacier-white/6266945

very true. i got back almost £25k for my Sunbeam Lotus, which at the end of the day had a pair of spluttery carbs, no electrics, no power steering, no ABS, no radio, and 150bhp ;-)

 

[Will Statt]

Whilst there is no doubt that every generation of 911 is a 'better' car, what makes the 993 special... that people now realise, is that it was a distinct cut off point. It was made in the old fashioned hand-built way, which was slow, uneconomical, and not entirely governed by the accountants. The engine is a real antique.. but beautifully evolved and perfected. They literally " don't make cars like that any more" It'll never drive like a modern car... but who wants it to!?

Not only that, you couldn't make them for £40k either, so either at that price you're getting great value. All those of us that bought before the current market were indeed lucky!

I didn't buy mine for investment: I paid £30k in 2003, and expected it to depreciate slowly. The fact that it hasn't has been a bonus but a bit double edged, as I'm now conscious of not putting too many miles on her. I know that's stupid, but I can't help it... And considering that I have no pension.... it may come in useful!!

The later (996 on) will never appreciate in the same manner, no matter how good they are, because they're just another mass-produced robot-built box. (special editions excepted)

Will

 

[HPNer]

Whilst there is no doubt that every generation of 911 is a 'better' car, what makes the 993 special... that people now realise, is that it was a distinct cut off point. It was made in the old fashioned hand-built way, which was slow, uneconomical, and not entirely governed by the accountants. The engine is a real antique.. but beautifully evolved and perfected. They literally " don't make cars like that any more" It'll never drive like a modern car... but who wants it to!?

Not only that, you couldn't make them for £40k either, so either at that price you're getting great value.

Will

Wise words Will.

:thumb:

 

[Jitstar]

For what it's worth, I bought a car with 160k miles last year on the basis that the entry point was affordable, knowing full well what if need to do to get back to spec.

Other reason being that the car would be a keeper so worrying about mileage was not relevant. This way I can do what I want with the car suspension-wise, knowing when/who/what had been done.

Report on the engine - very strong; leaks from cam covers, but engine rebuild not actually being necessary - a result of regular specialist servicing I expect.

 

[orangecurry]

For what it's worth, I bought a car with 160k miles last year ....
Report on the engine - very strong; leaks from cam covers, but engine rebuild not actually being necessary - a result of regular specialist servicing I expect.

Or more likely, the continually evolving and refined engineering standards and tolerances of the design and construction of the '964 block' engine, which is why Porsche were in serious financial difficulties.

Any garage who regularly changed the oil and used 10W40 would have been the icing on the top.

 

[Zingari]

Any garage who regularly changed the oil and used 10W40 would have been the icing on the top.

Magnatec :dont know: Now you're talking chum.

I concur with the 'bullet proof' engines however you can probably expect a gearbox overhaul before the engine needs serious work. Box work aint cheap however :what:

Come on then who's going to do 29 in cold :?:

 

[Palladium]

Whilst there is no doubt that every generation of 911 is a 'better' car, what makes the 993 special... that people now realise, is that it was a distinct cut off point. It was made in the old fashioned hand-built way, which was slow, uneconomical, and not entirely governed by the accountants. The engine is a real antique.. but beautifully evolved and perfected. They literally " don't make cars like that any more" It'll never drive like a modern car... but who wants it to!?

Not only that, you couldn't make them for £40k either, so either at that price you're getting great value. All those of us that bought before the current market were indeed lucky!

I didn't buy mine for investment: I paid £30k in 2003, and expected it to depreciate slowly. The fact that it hasn't has been a bonus but a bit double edged, as I'm now conscious of not putting too many miles on her. I know that's stupid, but I can't help it... And considering that I have no pension.... it may come in useful!!

The later (996 on) will never appreciate in the same manner, no matter how good they are, because they're just another mass-produced robot-built box. (special editions excepted)

Will

this also applies to the sc, which was going to be the end of aircooling, so was over engineered as a swansong, problem was it sold so many that the natural outcome was better cars during the sc period, then another model in the 3.2, Porsche thought the future was 928 but the public wanted more, hence the 964 then 993.


I firmly believe they made an enormous error getting out of aircooling, you could bring it back with todays thinking, and technology, and easily meet the silly rules criteria.

They should bring back the original chassis with the 993 engine, upgrade the brakes and suspension, keep the car as basic as possible, call it the 911 classic.

Autofarm make one to order, its called the autofarm 911, takes a year to build and emphasis is put on a decent chassis. 100k ive heard.



p.s all aircooled were handmade

 

[olivers]

Whilst there is no doubt that every generation of 911 is a 'better' car, what makes the 993 special... that people now realise, is that it was a distinct cut off point. It was made in the old fashioned hand-built way, which was slow, uneconomical, and not entirely governed by the accountants. The engine is a real antique.. but beautifully evolved and perfected. They literally " don't make cars like that any more" It'll never drive like a modern car... but who wants it to!?

Not only that, you couldn't make them for £40k either, so either at that price you're getting great value. All those of us that bought before the current market were indeed lucky!

I didn't buy mine for investment: I paid £30k in 2003, and expected it to depreciate slowly. The fact that it hasn't has been a bonus but a bit double edged, as I'm now conscious of not putting too many miles on her. I know that's stupid, but I can't help it... And considering that I have no pension.... it may come in useful!!

The later (996 on) will never appreciate in the same manner, no matter how good they are, because they're just another mass-produced robot-built box. (special editions excepted)

Will

Agree with this, which is why the 993 is probably the only car I've had which I really never want to sell, it just makes the 997 feel like good value in comparison, in a very weird way. At least that's my logic. (My other half thinks it is bull****.)

And I do prefer the Mezger engine. Sorry. Ready to be ignited now...

 

[Zingari]

I really never want to sell, it just makes the 997 feel like good value in comparison, in a very weird way. At least that's my logic. (My other half thinks it is bull****.)

:hand: It's not bull, it's smoke and mirrors chum :thumb:

 

[langers1970]

Agree with this, which is why the 993 is probably the only car I've had which I really never want to sell, it just makes the 997 feel like good value in comparison, in a very weird way. At least that's my logic. (My other half thinks it is bull****.)

And I do prefer the Mezger engine. Sorry. Ready to be ignited now...

My other half makes a valid point. We pontificate about the wonders of the air-cooled breed, the last of the true Porsches etc. But anyone under 30 generally couldn't give a stuff about any of that. I think many - there are some exceptions - see these cars as old, uncomfortable, basic and lacking creature comforts. Which essentially they are.

Don't get me wrong, I like my cars like my music, analogue all the way, as I suspect most do here. But I'm not sure the next generation quite get it.

Face it. We are a bunch of old fogeys, mostly have these cars as mid-life-crisis toys and I'd wager barely more than one on this thread is much below 40, let alone 30. 911s can be done in your 20s - I had my first one when I was 27 with a smallish car loan and limited budget. I reckon anyone mid-20s might see the 996 with a clearer perspective, as affordable retro cool.

 

[olivers]

I really never want to sell, it just makes the 997 feel like good value in comparison, in a very weird way. At least that's my logic. (My other half thinks it is bull****.)

:hand: It's not bull, it's smoke and mirrors chum :thumb:

Probably true, but as long as it's tyre smoke in my mirrors I'm long this one.