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Zymol, Swissol, Armourfend, Paintshield..

pdg

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There are so many options and so many opinions (i.e. some people using waxes to protect paint agains chips)...

What I need to know is the best solution/s to protect the 911 (black 996 2C) against chips and scratches (the car will not be used for racing - at least that is what I will intend :D )

Also with the product you suggest would you recommend self-installation or a third party installation (i.e. Auto valet) - (Although I want to save money by doing it myself, sometimes being cheap is expensive)

Some links of the products that I have been reading about:Zymol
http://www.911uk.com/zymol.asp

Swissol
http://www.swissol.co.uk/

Armourfend
www.armourfend.com

Paintshield
http://www.xpeleu.com/index.jsp

Ventureshield
http://www.venturetape.com/ventureshield/

Meguiars
http://www.meguiars.com/

After reading a lot I have reached the point in where I have to ask for advice. I found much information on this forum as well as in other sites (see below) - I would appreciate if you could give me your advice - This is more info. I found:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products2268.html

http://superiorcarcare.net/wax.html

http://www.pistonheads.com/reviews/products.asp?c=52

Thank in advance for your suggestions.


Migration info. Legacy thread was 41809
 
I used zymol Glasur and do-it-myself (which is time consuming but not complicated).

Effects have been really good. My car was 4 years old when I bought it and had quite a number of swirl marks. The HD cleanse phase got rid of a lot of the marks. I would imagine it would do wonders with a newer car!

Not sure what it does for stone chips though.


Migration info. Legacy thread was 41814
 
Whatever you end up using, preperation of the paintwork is the most important step. So if you have swirls and stonechips thay need to be seen to first.

You may be advised to have the car machine polished first off which will get rid of the swirls and unless you have done this before, I would recommend getting a bodyshop to do this for you.

DIY or Pro. Really comes down to how much time you have. There is no real difficulty in applying wax, your main problem will be on deciding what to use.

My advice is to go to some of the US detailing sites as these guys are way ahead of us in the UK when it comes to detailing our cars and get some tips there. In the UK you will only tend to get the Zymol/Swissol argument which is not helpful as many people have never tried anything else.

For the record I import most of the waxes I have used as they tend to be of a very high quality and give excellent results with regard to longevity, shine, application and cost

Migration info. Legacy thread was 41978
 
your question is one of protection to protect against chips and scratches, and you list two main type of product, waxes and plastic film.

the only way to protect against stone chips is to fit a clear film like Armourfend, but IMHO they look crap, you get a visible line, the film does not shine like paint and when stones hit it, it can get pockmarked, it isn't cheapp at £600 ish but then again neither is a respray.

with regards the waxes, its really down to individual preferences, it seems that Zymol is the preferred choice, I have used it for 6 years and it is superb if applied correctly, I suggest you look at Vertar for an explanation of the product.

to stop scratches to paint, you need to ensure that you hand wash the car regularly, use lots of water and a clean sponge, scrathes or swirl marks are caused by small particles of grit stuck between the sponge and paint, a few good layers of a caunauba wax will help stop this as the was acts as a barrier, I have read that about 4 coats is similar in micron depth to one coat of paint.

Hope this helps?

BTW, don't worry about chips etc, it is inevitable, just enjoy the car.

Migration info. Legacy thread was 41983
 
Shed17, Chris, Poon - Thank you for your advice.

So I guess that a film to protect chips/scratches is a no-no because they generally look crap. But what about this one:
http://www.invisiblepatterns.com/showcase.asp
(several people are starting to say that it looks great and it is the best one!)

Regarding the waxing, it seems that you dont only need time but also the right weather conditions ... I believe that I am going to opt to go to a professional (and maybe stay while he applies it so I can learn :D ). Who would you recommend? (I want to apply 4 coats of wax - would that be possible to be done in one day?)

Thanks!


Migration info. Legacy thread was 41986
 
Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by pdg on 07 January 2006

Regarding the waxing, it seems that you dont only need time but also the right weather conditions ... I believe that I am going to opt to go to a professional (and maybe stay while he applies it so I can learn :D ). Who would you recommend? (I want to apply 4 coats of wax - would that be possible to be done in one day?)
I did mine in the winter - it was only about 10 deg. The wax still goes on and looks great, and is certainly better than no wax at all.

Not sure you will get four coats of wax done in a day - but to be honest the waxing is the easy bit. You would certainly have no problems putting a few futher coats of that on yourself the next day.


Migration info. Legacy thread was 41997
 
I spent 5 hours on the car just after Christmas doing the washing off the old wax with deteregent, machine polish etc etc and finally finished off with a coat of wax (hard high percentage carnauba type)and the temp was not much more than 7 degrees.

You would struggle to get 4 coats of wax on, but there is nothing stopping you doing it over a greater length of time.

Have toyed with the idea of getting a front end film on the car but cannot live with the looks. A 00 artists brush and some paint is all you need for the stone chips :D

Migration info. Legacy thread was 41999
 
Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by Shed17 on 07 January 2006

Whatever you end up using, preperation of the paintwork is the most important step. So if you have swirls and stonechips thay need to be seen to first. You may be advised to have the car machine polished first off which will get rid of the swirls and unless you have done this before, I would recommend getting a bodyshop to do this for you.DIY or Pro. Really comes down to how much time you have. There is no real difficulty in applying wax, your main problem will be on deciding what to use. My advice is to go to some of the US detailing sites as these guys are way ahead of us in the UK when it comes to detailing our cars and get some tips there. In the UK you will only tend to get the Zymol/Swissol argument which is not helpful as many people have never tried anything else. For the record I import most of the waxes I have used as they tend to be of a very high quality and give excellent results with regard to longevity, shine, application and cost


Hi mate,

Can you get me some Poorboys blue natty!? Or some Pinnacle Souveran?

cheers

Migration info. Legacy thread was 42058
 
I only buy for my own use, I don't do this on a commercial basis.

Migration info. Legacy thread was 42078
 
Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by Seagull on 08 January 2006

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by G-Unit on 08 January 2006

Previous poster said:
Hi mate,

Can you get me some Poorboys blue natty!? Or some Pinnacle Souveran?

cheers
G-Unit. Check out
www.motorgeek.co.uk
they sell both of them.


Nice one mate, thanks for that. I have heard good stuff about these and want to compare it to my Swissol. The Americans are way ahead of the game.

Migration info. Legacy thread was 42089
 
Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by Shed17 on 08 January 2006

I only buy for my own use, I don't do this on a commercial basis.


What do you use mate? Also what processes do you go through? Do you use a PC? I have just ordered one from the States and look forward to trying our some Merzerna and Klasse!

Thanks


Migration info. Legacy thread was 42091
 
I have used Meguiars ScratchX with good results for getting rid of swirls and improving scratches.

Not perfect results, but sufficiently good for my bodyshop to say that there would not be a meaningful benefit from machine polishing.

I had the front end of my car resprayed as the chips were annoying me. A few I can handle as they can be touched in, but the front was really peppered. The result is that I use the car much less as I am afraid of picking up more chips which is a great shame, so trying to re-educate myself to use and enjoy the car!


Migration info. Legacy thread was 42192
 
If it is dry tomorow, I will spend the day cleaning the car and polishing it, havent any Zymol (yet), however I will do the best job possible and then leave it in the garage for the week, and see how it compares to all your cars Zymoiled up next weekend at Silverstone, the diffrence will probably be so great that I will be straight on ordering my starter pack.

I will prob take wheels off and clean inside as well, is this sad, or do others do this? :oops:

Daz.


Migration info. Legacy thread was 42823
 
Daz,

Don't be silly, by the time you get to Silverstone it will be filthy, order some Zymol, come on you know you want to, and then spend all day doing it! Phil will have it to you for tuesday!

Otherwise it'll be a waste of time. Best to do it before Silverstone if you can, especially the front end.

Whats £140 on a £45kish car.

You know it makes sense.

Migration info. Legacy thread was 42833
 

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