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What to go for….

Well all Gen 1 997 S are gonna bore score, so whatever you buy, you're looking at a £17k bill on top, unless it's already been Hatech'd - FACT!!!!

You can't just tell lies.
They won't all bore score, some will, but mine hasn't and loads of others haven't, there is not a single documented case of bore score in the Middle East, I asked but I can't find anywhere that claims they've had a case of it, so maybe it's just cold countries where they get thrashed from cold by knuckle draggers.

For a first time 911 I'd go all day long with that 997.1 with Hartech engine, it's not as niche or cool as the 996T but it's a more modern feeling car, easier to live with, cheaper to maintain and that's a serious amount of car for the money and I'd throw a cheeky offer in anyway.

I don't like the 996 advert - "It's our directors car" like that means anything?
Their website is shocking and they look like they sell projects or half done stuff, I'd give that a swerve even if I was buying a 996T.

It's an absolute no brainer to me, the 997 is by far the better prospect, and to be fair probably worth the money, but the market is terrible so it's also fair to chip away at him. I don't like lowballing people, but that's life I suppose.
 
They will at some point......might be a decade off but they will - it's in the design to. Poor cooling round cylinder 6 and liners and piston coatings that don't get on with each other when hot.
 
You can't just tell lies.
They won't all bore score, some will, but mine hasn't and loads of others haven't, there is not a single documented case of bore score in the Middle East, I asked but I can't find anywhere that claims they've had a case of it, so maybe it's just cold countries where they get thrashed from cold by knuckle draggers.

For a first time 911 I'd go all day long with that 997.1 with Hartech engine, it's not as niche or cool as the 996T but it's a more modern feeling car, easier to live with, cheaper to maintain and that's a serious amount of car for the money and I'd throw a cheeky offer in anyway.

I don't like the 996 advert - "It's our directors car" like that means anything?
Their website is shocking and they look like they sell projects or half done stuff, I'd give that a swerve even if I was buying a 996T.

It's an absolute no brainer to me, the 997 is by far the better prospect, and to be fair probably worth the money, but the market is terrible so it's also fair to chip away at him. I don't like lowballing people, but that's life I suppose.
Fair points made, thanks! I can’t see much else on autotrader that is decent and manual within my budget. Referring to the blue example, it’s had a turbo replaced. But only one. Odd?
 
Not odd, just not spending money if not needed.
 
I thought usually they are replaced in pairs. Otherwise unbalanced engine
Pass......but some people don't like spending money and will do the bear minimum, like getting 1 bore on 1 bank done when its scored.
 
That’s interesting. A car shipped from Israel? Or an Israeli plated car being driven in UK?

I suppose they might all die from bore score one day if something else doesn’t get it first. A doctor told me that if men live long enough we’d all die of prostrate cancer, but often something else gets us first.

I don’t want to get backed into a corner here like I did with the “9A1s don’t break” discussion because I honestly don’t know. But in a previous job I was a technical director of a global company and my job was to basically go around the world investigating failures of expensive kit and write reports on why it broke for the Insurance. So I often contradict sweeping statements that don’t have evidence because it’s in my nature.

Now to contradict myself and guess - I think the M96/7 issue is use and environment dependent. I don’t think they’ll all do it because they aren’t all being driven under the exact same circumstances.
 
Fair points made, thanks! I can’t see much else on autotrader that is decent and manual within my budget. Referring to the blue example, it’s had a turbo replaced. But only one. Odd?

You’ll get one in your budget but take your time. Read as much as you can and try and make an informed decision.

That 997 honestly looks like a good car, the seller has made the effort to explain everything properly and unless he’s a good conman then he comes across as honest and enthusiastic about his car.
It’s a fairly basic 911, great as a first car, easy to live with, etc (although have a look at my 997 Niggles thread) they’re old cars and things will break.

The 996 platform is a better drivers car in my opinion, but the 997 feels more modern. The 996 Turbo is a bit more niche and focused than a C2S, awesome car but you have to really want one.

I don’t want to put you off but if I were buying any 996/997 for £25k then I’d have £10k in my kitty as well for problems that you will surely encounter at some point.
Loads of people buy at the top of their budget and then have no money left for maintenance or problems and then they end up selling for half what they paid because they can’t afford to fix it. That’s how I got my 996, the guy only had it a few months and it got bore score and he couldn’t afford to fix it.

If it has to be a 911 then ok, but don’t overlook the Boxster as a first sporty Porsche, there are some brilliant cars out there for not a lot of money.

Keep putting up cars for discussion, people are nice here and they’ll help you, I lurked here for ages before I started posting and I learned a lot.
 
For reference, the car was shipped over from Israel to be fixed (2 years ago). They also had one over this Summer having the engine done, a 3.8S.
Might be wise to not tell others they are telling lies without evidence/data to back it up and then reply with a blarant lie (I have backed up with evidence).
 
For reference, the car was shipped over from Israel to be fixed (2 years ago). They also had one over this Summer having the engine done, a 3.8S.
Might be wise to not tell others they are telling lies without evidence/data to back it up and then reply with a blarant lie (I have backed up with evidence).

You said they will ALL get bore score, I don't think that's a fact, if you could prove it then I'd stop challenging it because I like facts.

Nothing you or I post on here will change what actually happens in real life.
(and for me this is all light hearted debate on a forum)

I asked around all the people I could in all the countries I could and they all said they hadn't seen it, so that was my evidence at that point.
Now you've introduced two examples, so I'm corrected, I'm fine with that, it's how we work as engineers to gather evidence and then adjust our thesis or plan accordingly when we get proved wrong/right.

If we were to continue then I'd want specific details about these two failures but I'm not inclined to get into a tennis match over it because I haven't really got any skin in the game. I also bought my 997 expecting it to fail, I still do expect it to fail, there is definitely a significant problem with these engines and I've got a plan for that, but this doesn't mean that I'm going to accept your blanket statement that they will all fail, I don't think all of them will fail based on what I've seen.

Maybe I'm a pedant, I just don't like internet 'facts' on forums unless they are actual facts and not just bro-science that get repeated enough times for people to take them as facts.

Baz won't remember this but I had a conversation with him and I challenged his views, which he seemed perfectly fine with because he could back up why he thought the way he did. I've never met a real engineer that got upset at being challenged properly.

I think there is definitely an issue with the 996/7 engines, I think it's likely to affect a significant amount of them, but probably not all of them.
I like Baz a lot and my end game for my 997 is for him to do the latest upgrade, so I think he's probably right about a lot of things.

But until I see data that convinces me then I'm not in a position to agree that all of these things will get bore score.
You seem like you're really switched on and pretty handy, which to be honest is why I'm pushing it, I wouldn't have expected someone like you to come out with an absolute unless it was actually an absolute.
 
Hearsay isn't evidence.

......and I might be a few things, but I'm never wrong! :ROFLMAO:
 
I suppose.

I’m not trying to be a knob deliberately by the way :D

I think you’re from my neck of the woods when I’m back in the UK and I’m hoping to get on a couple of drive outs, some of you seem to know more about these cars than me so a chat would be good.
 
Me neither, all said in jest my friend. We're all in it together.

Always welcome along to out NW/Cheshire monthly meet on the 1st Saturday of every month. :)
 
You’ll get one in your budget but take your time. Read as much as you can and try and make an informed decision.

That 997 honestly looks like a good car, the seller has made the effort to explain everything properly and unless he’s a good conman then he comes across as honest and enthusiastic about his car.
It’s a fairly basic 911, great as a first car, easy to live with, etc (although have a look at my 997 Niggles thread) they’re old cars and things will break.

The 996 platform is a better drivers car in my opinion, but the 997 feels more modern. The 996 Turbo is a bit more niche and focused than a C2S, awesome car but you have to really want one.

I don’t want to put you off but if I were buying any 996/997 for £25k then I’d have £10k in my kitty as well for problems that you will surely encounter at some point.
Loads of people buy at the top of their budget and then have no money left for maintenance or problems and then they end up selling for half what they paid because they can’t afford to fix it. That’s how I got my 996, the guy only had it a few months and it got bore score and he couldn’t afford to fix it.

If it has to be a 911 then ok, but don’t overlook the Boxster as a first sporty Porsche, there are some brilliant cars out there for not a lot of money.

Keep putting up cars for discussion, people are nice here and they’ll help you, I lurked here for ages before I started posting and I learned a lot.
Yes I really difficult to know which one to go for! There’s a few manuals around in my budget £37500. I think I may be leaning towards the turbo. There’s one I viewed that’s had a RPM technik engine rebuild but not much other maintenance as it was just garaged. Mileage 63k 2001 plate. He is open to offers to
 

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