Rear side window help

[oldnbold]

Hi Guys. The black metal trim at the base of my rear side windows is a bit tatty and I'm wondering how to replace it. See pic below

The trim (A) according to the parts diagram is secured with 5 x self tappers, these are didden by the rubber seal (B) that goes around the entire window.

Before I start pulling and poking around and breaking something, does anyone know how to replace the metal trims? Is the rubber trim a push fit or is it stuck in some way?

Any advice greatly received.

Thanks

 

[Chris993C2]

From memory, the glass just pushes out from the inside - be carefull not to drop it though, it's heavier than you might think. After that, the rubber seal can be pulled off the bodywork, revealing the self-tappers (!) that you mention.

Installation is, as they say, the reverse of removal - just with added swearing, soap, and bits of string. If you've ever done any (non-bonded) windscreens before, you'll have no (real) problems...

 

[oldnbold]

From memory, the glass just pushes out from the inside - be carefull not to drop it though, it's heavier than you might think. After that, the rubber seal can be pulled off the bodywork, revealing the self-tappers (!) that you mention.

Installation is, as they say, the reverse of removal - just with added swearing, soap, and bits of string. If you've ever done any (non-bonded) windscreens before, you'll have no (real) problems...

So the rubber seal (B) in my photo actually holds the glass in then, its not just a cover as on the rear window?

Does it need a lot of preasure from the inside to pop the glass out? Is it best to apply preasure in the centre of the glass or on one edge?

Thanks for your help.

 

[Jack Frost]

Rear quarter windows are actually bonded into the rubber. I had both replaced at Porsche a few years back. But that's another story.

 

[Chris993C2]

Rear quarter windows are actually bonded into the rubber. I had both replaced at Porsche a few years back. But that's another story.

:? I think story is the operative word, there...

PET shows the respective parts listed separately - it even shows the cross-sectional profile of the rubber seal:

 

[Chris993C2]

Red = bodywork
Blue = glass

 

[Red993C4]

From memory, the glass just pushes out from the inside - be carefull not to drop it though, it's heavier than you might think. After that, the rubber seal can be pulled off the bodywork, revealing the self-tappers (!) that you mention.

Installation is, as they say, the reverse of removal - just with added swearing, soap, and bits of string. If you've ever done any (non-bonded) windscreens before, you'll have no (real) problems...

So the rubber seal (B) in my photo actually holds the glass in then, its not just a cover as on the rear window?

Does it need a lot of preasure from the inside to pop the glass out? Is it best to apply preasure in the centre of the glass or on one edge?

Thanks for your help.

I think you'll find that it helps to run an improvised steel spatula carefully around the surface between the rubber seal and the inner surface of the body flange to break the bond between them before trying to push the glass out of the body.

 

[oldnbold]

Thanks for the help guys.

Item 11 on the PET says sealing strap 10m length.

I think this may be some kind of double sided bonding tape! If so does that mean that the window is kind of bonded, or at least the rubber seal is bonded to the bodywork?

If this is the case does removal mean I will have to replace the rubber seal and item 11 if it is a sticky tape?

I think this is item 11

http://www.rosepassion.com/en/cat/p...indow-glazing-coupe/I1093/sealing-strap/P2589


Edit Just looked at the PET again - looks like item 11 the tape is used to help stick the trim that I want to replace in place along with the 5 screws.

I'm guessing that the glass will pop out, the rubber seal pull off and then the trim will unscrew and I'll have to ease it away from the body as it will be stuck in place with item 11.

Can anyone confirm this.
Any further advice would be great

 

[Julian Weston]

The sealing strap is actually a flexible tape made of a rubbery flexible type product a bit like blu tac in consistency. All is does is prevent the metal trim chaffing the paint. I do not believe the windows are bonded into the rubber or the rubber bonded to the body, the rubber just pulls off. Once it has been off you can run a very thin bead of flexible old school windscreen sealant into the channel the glass sits in once the glass is in place (the sealant never goes off) to prevent any leaks or buy a new seal if you prefer. If want me to talk you through it pm me and I can give you my number

 

[Locin]

This was one of the easiest DIYs I've attempted, once I had the courage to try it.....

The window came out easier than I expected, once I had the top piece of the interior quarter panel top trim removed and then i used a really large flathead screw driver to lift up the rubber window seal from the bottom. The window just needed a gentle push after that.......surprisingly straight forward.

I then replaced the trim that had rusted by removing 4 screws that appeared once the window is out.

I used the 'string' trick to put the window back in.

Whole job took app 45 mins......

 

[oldnbold]

Thanks Julian and Locin. I think I'll give it a go.

I'll get the parts ordered ASAP, is the strap (flexiable blu tac like strip) reusable? Or do I need to order new?

Stand by for a PM if I get stuck :thumb:

Many thanks to everyone who has offered advice - I love this forum :salut:

 

[Julian Weston]

You can reuse the sealing strip but it will be a bigger to get off. I think they only sell it in a roll but they may be nice and give you a foot of it. If not let me know I think I may have some left over, I could send it in the post.

 

[oldnbold]

You can reuse the sealing strip but it will be a bigger to get off. I think they only sell it in a roll but they may be nice and give you a foot of it. If not let me know I think I may have some left over, I could send it in the post.

Thanks for that Julian, I'm at OPC Leicester later having a free heath check, I'll see if they can sell me a couple of bits rather than a roll. If not I'll PM you.

Many thanks for your offer and help.

 

[Julian Weston]

Ok

Ok, let me know. If you are ordering a new part then check it, I replaced all of mine and they can have poor finish around the screw holes from new. Also I put a bit of the strip around each screw tip to stop water ingress.

 

[oldnbold]

Just a quick update on this thread. I finally managed to get round to sorting this out today. I purchased the trim part from OPC Leicester for the same price the indie parts companies are offering it for. A big thank you to Julian Weston for sending me a length of the sealing strip that he had left over.

The job itself was not that difficult. As advised I removed the interior trim just below the glass which gives better access to all of the window rubber, just 4 screws sorts this.

After running a large flat head screw driver around the inside and outside of the rubber I eased the rubber away from the bodywork from inside the car whilst supporting the glass, and the glass and rubber came out together very simply.

Once the glass and rubber is out, the screws that hold the trim in place can be seen. I carefully removed them making sure I didn't damage the heads and then eased the trim away from the body work. A lot of the paint came away from the trim as it was removed revealing how bad it in fact was.

Next is to remove the old sealing strip and in my case all the old clear sealer that had been used to stop a leak I guess. Once clean the new sealing strip was applied (thanks again Julian) and the new trim screwed in place.

The difficult bit was getting the glass in. I tried the string in the window rubber method but failed dismally. I found it easier to put the rubber on the glass and then ease the whole assembly into the window opening, lifting the rubber into place with a flat headed screw driver from the inside whilst the wife pressed firmly from the outside.

Anyway after a quick clean up and polish a big improvement.

A big thank you to everyone that offered advice. :thumbs: