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Newbie - thoughts on 996TT purchase

lofi

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I've been lurking a while and I'm back to the forum (didn't post much before) after an absence from Porsche ownership. I used to have a 964 C4, which I loved.

I'm back in the market for a Porsche again, up to a top whack of £25k, which includes my trade in. It also has to be a auto, as mrslofi can't do a manual. I'm happy with that.

I've looked at and driven a few C4Ss, which seem to vary a lot in terms of price vs spec vs mileage (and many dealers seem to have a strange idea of what FSH means!) but I'm coming to the decision that what I really want is a turbo.

Cutting to the chase my upfront budget (I know about the potential running costs - I used to own a 964! :wink: ) gets me into a higher mileage car, which doesn't bother me too much provided history and condition is ok.

Now I have viewed a car, not driven yet, which has had the turbos reconditioned at 60k miles. Full history and so my first thought was "good, that's a potential expense taken care of" but I am now wondering whether the need for such work points to the car having been abused in the past. Any thoughts appreciated.

The other thing was that the interior was not as tidy as the lower mileage C4Ss I'd looked at. In particular the drivers door pull (inside) was quite marked and dented. Are these parts easy to get corrected by specialist valet or can the interior bits be brought?
 
:welcome:

All 996 parts are available (in fact, though the factory Classic scheme, I believe Porsche will guarantee parts supplies for most parts even on 50 year old 911s)
 
lofi said:
I've been lurking a while and I'm back to the forum (didn't post much before) after an absence from Porsche ownership. I used to have a 964 C4, which I loved.

I'm back in the market for a Porsche again, up to a top whack of £25k, which includes my trade in. It also has to be a auto, as mrslofi can't do a manual. I'm happy with that.

I've looked at and driven a few C4Ss, which seem to vary a lot in terms of price vs spec vs mileage (and many dealers seem to have a strange idea of what FSH means!) but I'm coming to the decision that what I really want is a turbo.

Cutting to the chase my upfront budget (I know about the potential running costs - I used to own a 964! :wink: ) gets me into a higher mileage car, which doesn't bother me too much provided history and condition is ok.

Now I have viewed a car, not driven yet, which has had the turbos reconditioned at 60k miles. Full history and so my first thought was "good, that's a potential expense taken care of" but I am now wondering whether the need for such work points to the car having been abused in the past. Any thoughts appreciated.

The other thing was that the interior was not as tidy as the lower mileage C4Ss I'd looked at. In particular the drivers door pull (inside) was quite marked and dented. Are these parts easy to get corrected by specialist valet or can the interior bits be brought?

I personally don't think the turbo's have that hard a life on 996's what they do suffer with is where they are located.

Being right behind the rear wheels means they get covered in road debris and worst still rain and salt.

Consequently its not unusual to see stuck waste gates, hence people go the whole hog and have the turbos overhauled whilst they are off...
 
DJones said:
I personally don't think the turbo's have that hard a life on 996's what they do suffer with is where they are located.

Being right behind the rear wheels means they get covered in road debris and worst still rain and salt.

Consequently its not unusual to see stuck waste gates, hence people go the whole hog and have the turbos overhauled whilst they are off...

Many thanks for that. Now this is from memory, but in the paperwork there was, if I remember right, stuff about oil blowing to the intercooler which I presume means it was something more than a stuck waste gate? Certainly the bills were heavy for the work, which was about 10k miles ago. My knowledge is rusty - been a long time since my subaru modding days!
 
The 996t is a very well made car but it does have quite a few parts that need replacing earlier than you might expect on a more average car. Once they are replaced the car is perfect again.

These include:-

Water pump about 60K
Rads 5yrs or 40K
Air con condensors as above
clutch 50k
clutch slave 50k
clutch accumulator 50k
suspension parts eg coffin arms, top mounts etc (not shocks, they seem to be fine) 65K
spoiler mechanism 80k
Exhaust and Turbo heat shields 70K

So as you can see its not unusual to have quite a few parts replaced
by 50-60k miles, as for the turbos themselves I've heard of a few people getting them overhauled mainly due to the effects of corrosion,as mentioned above, but some have just worn out too.

You certainly couldn't conclude that the car must have been abused just because it's had that work done, I think a better indicator would be its condition and how good its history is

Mac
 
No impulsive purschase just take your time to find the one. Do your home work and get some help with someone who knows them. They are may be a bargain now but they still are expensive to maintain especially if your are not good with the spanners.
 
Thanks for the advice.

I'd like to get any prospective purchase PPIed and I'd personally be more happy if this was done by a specialist at their premises using their ramps etc. I fully understand that most dealer won't take a car for such a PPI unless there is some agreement to purchase. What I'm not sure about is what you do once you have a PPI report? Having agreed a purchase what agreement do you put in place with the dealer with regard to completing the sale once the report is back? I presume "subject to satisfactory report" isn't good enough as what is ok to them might not be ok to me. My assumption (very happy to be corrected) is the best you can get from it is stuff covered by the warranty being offered being covered prior to taking the car?

I realise I could go for a PM style on site inspection but I'm not convinced this is as effective as getting a car up on ramps.
 
When I found mine I did ask to see it on a ramp straight away. Dealers normaly knows a lical garage with a ramps. After spotting few problems myself I did ask to have a ppi with a garage of my choice. A professional dealer will accept , a dodgy one will refuse .....A listing of the faults to be corrected have to be in the purschase conteact before you leave a deposit PPI included.
 
Dealer did spend thousands to put it right. Still after a couple of weeks I did spit few little things to correct and did end up spending 1.5 k extra...
You have to expect to spend a little bit on fixing few things if you are fassy like me !!! Botyom line is before buying inspect it from A to Z. Silly things like tool kit , pads, rads, electric faults...etc can cost a packet . Get help from A pro with Porsche.
 
Would expect rads and condensers to last a decade if grills/mesh fitted (plus a proper wash periodically, especially during/after road salt use)
 

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