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New 911 no overrev present but from franchise dealer...

Cwmogwr

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Hi everyone,

I'm looking for some advice on this matter. I'm about to buy a 997 c2s (this Thursday!!) and it's from stratstone bmw, Doncaster.

The car appears all sound, fsh, all the goods, a stratstone limited warranty, etc

However an overrev report is not present. Is this a walk away moment or should I take some comfort it is from a reputable dealer?

Alternatively do I get an over rev report? If so, how is this done and who can produce one?

My apologies for sounding vague, but I'm very keen on picking up the car Thursday (6th June) and this is paying on my mind.

Thanks in advance

Gareth
 
In my experience Stratstone don't fall into the reputable dealer category! but don't let my experience put you off.

If it comes with a limited warranty from a Stratstone BMW dealer then it suggests the car hasn't gone through the same approved car checks from a Porsche dealer. I would personally ask for it to have an 111 point check at an OPC and get it checked for over revs amongst other things.
 
Assuming it's manual, get an overrev report done from any dealer with a PIWIS (so OPC or Porker specialist) but don't walk away if it has a tiny overrev. You need to know what you're looking at, so a handful of them in RR3 hundreds of hours ago would be irrelevant, but the same handful in the last couple of hours would trouble me.

Any in RR5 or RR6 and I'd walk. RR4 I may consider based upon number and hours since, but I'd haggle the deal down.
 
Hi there,

Thanks for the reply. Bit disappointed, but I guess I thought I'd hear that response.

I can only mention it tomorrow, if they are not prepared to get a report via an OPC then I guess I'll have to walk away :(

Sad times
 
Really appreciate this feedback chaps.

I'll be discussing this with the dealer tomorrow to see what they can offer.... Fingers crossed they'll co-operate

Cheers

Gareth
 
I wouldn't personally write off a good example if it has some over revs in the higher ranges. I think mine has about 50 ignitions in range 5 some 700 hours ago, yet the car runs great, no smoke or anything. 8)

TBH it's a Porsche and they are meant to be driven, at least that's why I brought one. :D
 
I think I'm more concerned about the engine blowing up (extreme wording, I know) and not being covered by the warranty that the dealers are offering, rather than residuals values.

I might ask them (dealers/stratstone) to provide in writing that the vehicle is 'covered' should it haver engine issues and has been identified as been redline in >3rd.

I can but ask :)
 
I'll bet that the 'limited warranty' offered wouldn't cover an engine failure anyway (probably put it down to wear and tear)! :wink:
 
Haha, true!

Think ill give up on the Porsche after all!

Ill go buy a golf without these silly reports and highly strung engines!

Aren't Porsches supposed to be sports cars? Ie driven with some 'enthusiasm?!

Ok, rant over :)
 
I wouldn't buy a porsche without an inspection, certainly not from stratstone (bought my BMW from Doncaster).

You say FSH, if that's OPC, it should be an easy job to find out which one (it's in the service book) and get a readout from the last service, as every time a car goes in to OPC for work/service a DME readout is taken and stored.

They can be driven hard without registering any over revs, you can hit the limiter going up the gears without any over-revs.

My car has 0 in all ranges and I bounced off the limiter the 2nd day I had it (2nd to 3rd) concentrating more on the noise and road!

I would want to know (especially when buying without a warranty) if the car had registered above range 3 or higher (it also affects your ability to get a porsche warranty in future).

As far as I can make out they are caused by mechanical over-rev, missed changes etc which reflect on the previous owner's general ability and mechanical sympathy IMO.

Without an inspection or the safety of a porsche approved warranty any engine issues will a) be unknown and b) expensive to fix.

I wouldn't rely on anything written by stratstone (see issues with claims from other warranty companies on the forums).
 
Thanks again everyone for the usual feedback and comments

I have, just now, pulled out of buying one.

M3 it is then...
 
Cwmogwr said:
Thanks again everyone for the usual feedback and comments

I have, just now, pulled out of buying one.

M3 it is then...

You'll be back :)

- AP
 
Seems a shame to have missed out. My understanding is that a rev range report can be done in isolation, and very cheaply at an OPC. Surely no dealer anywhere would object to that as a condition of sale ?!
 
I think you did the right thing to walk away from rhe car at Stratstone but not sure you did right to walk away from a Porsche 911 in favour of an M3. But each to their choice. The 911 is a superb car and nothing quite has the wow factor like a 911 in your drive.

If you consider returning to a 911 I'd give you three key bits of advice for you to consider:

1. Where you buy it from determines the rigour and trust you can place in the people selling it to you. An OPC will only sell cars that have been through a 111-point check and clean in terms of no over-revs or no damage from any over-revs in the past. They will give you the best warranty (Approved Used Warranty) on a car they sell. Stratsone BMW will not match that warranty but if its Stratstone Porsche they will be fine.
An independent trader who offers you a third party Insurance backed warranty is probably not worth the paper its written on (exlusions galore, wear n tear etc.) but some independents offer a very good warranty that is their own product.

2. (Early) 997 and 996 NA engines are both susceptible to scored bores and IMS failure. So an independent inspection with a borescope is worth its weight in gold.

3. Be relentless and ruthless in your search - walk away if anything is not right - these cars can empty your wallet pretty quick. Service history and condition are key. I researched for 12 motnhs getting to know as much as I could about the 996 4S and the 996 Turbo and then spent six months looking before I go the car I now have - and I saw some pretty bad cars - didgy history, claims of full OPC service history which was nothing of the sort, tired suspension and creaks and squeaks everywhere and generally knackered tyres all needing replacement soon and so the list goes on.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do next.
 
Cwmogwr said:
Haha, true!

Think ill give up on the Porsche after all!

Ill go buy a golf without these silly reports and highly strung engines!

Aren't Porsches supposed to be sports cars? Ie driven with some 'enthusiasm?!

Ok, rant over :)

That's not a rant. Give it a few month's of ownership :grin:
 

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