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Motorists vs Cyclist

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A motorist's tweet boasting about hitting a cyclist created uproar when it went viral. What does it reveal about the battle on the UK's roads?

Toby Hockley was on the 100-mile Boudicca Sportive ride in Norfolk when he says he was struck by a car and flung into a hedge. The driver didn't stop. Hockley emerged from the hedge, sore but intact.

It sounds like a run-of-the-mill depressing incident from the UK's roads. But the shocking part came later.

A young woman tweeted: "Definitely knocked a cyclist off his bike earlier. I have right of way - he doesn't even pay road tax! #Bloodycyclists."

The post was retweeted hundreds of times and took on a life of its own.

Soon cyclists had informed the police, identified the woman, tracked down where she worked and told her employer.

Norwich Police tweeted the woman back and told her to report the collision at a police station. "We have had tweets ref an RTC with a bike. We suggest you report it at a police station ASAP if not done already & then dm us".

Police have contacted both the cyclist and the tweeter and are investigating.

Continue reading the main story
Re-cycled from the Magazine

Jon Kelly weighed up whether there would be support for a new offence of causing death by dangerous cycling

The "war" between cyclists and motorists was played out in Toronto, where Mayor Rob Ford ordered the removal of bike lanes

It's a different story in Britain's first cycling city, Bristol, as Tom Geoghegan found as he clambered on to a two-wheeled machine

The incident and the speed of the backlash on Twitter with the hashtag #bloodycyclists being appropriated by bike users, highlights the simmering tension on the UK's roads.

"I am a #bloodycyclists just trying to get about London. Would be nice not to risk my life every morning just trying to get to work," tweeted @lennyshallcross.

There appears to be a burgeoning, visceral anger in the cyclist-driver relationship.

The recent explosion of cyclist numbers in the UK's cities has changed the dynamic of driving. In heavy traffic cyclists are often the fastest things on the roads, more agile at getting through gaps than motorbikes.

Drivers do not always see them. They may forget to check their mirrors. It can be difficult for bikes getting through clogged traffic with lorries and vans blocking both sides of the lane.

Cyclists complain of drivers winding down their windows to hurl abuse. Drivers make a similar complaint about being shouted at.

Cycling campaigners are calling for a new law in Scotland to make motorists automatically at fault in an accident. The UK is one of only five European countries - Cyprus, Malta, Romania and Ireland being the others - that does not currently have the "strict liability" law. Some cyclists now wear helmet cameras to record anti-social behaviour.

The cyclists' response to the Norfolk tweet is a sign of the growing social media "enforcement" action taken against drivers who are seen as having either endangered or threatened two-wheelers.

Who's at fault?
Analysis of accident data suggested factors involved in crashes can be attributed "fairly equally" to drivers and cyclists
Child cyclists were much more likely to have contributed to accidents, while incidents involving cyclists aged 25 and over were more often put down to the driver
Some 2,801 cyclists were said to have contributed to serious collisions between 2005 and 2007, 43% by failing to look properly and one-fifth by riding out from the pavement
Over the same period, 2,587 drivers were said to have contributed to serious crashes, with 56% failing to look properly and 17% through a poor manoeuvre
An observational study, conducted in London and published in 2007, stated that about 60% of cyclists jumped red lights, as opposed to about 30% of motorists
Source: Transport Research Laboratory

"It's relatively common because there are a lot of cyclists out there with helmet cams and they will post licence plates and video of bad motorists," says cycling journalist Carlton Reid.

Then there are deliberate attempts to scare cyclists, some commentators allege. "Many cyclists have been on the receiving end of 'punishment passes' [driving to instil fear] which can be extremely close, or can even see people being hurt," says Reid.

In 2011, 107 cyclists died on the roads in Britain and more than 3,000 were seriously injured, according to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents.

But there's a flipside. Cyclists, to many drivers, are serial flouters of the rules - jumping traffic lights, weaving in and out of the traffic, not signalling and failing to stop at zebra crossings.

There's "huge antipathy" between people on bikes and in cars, says motoring journalist Quentin Willson.

"We've got a minority of cyclists and car drivers who are aggressive," he says. "It results in a war of attrition between two and four wheels."

Today it is perhaps less politically correct to attack cyclists than drivers - but anecdotally many will privately curse cyclists passing them in traffic congestion.

The #bloodycyclists hashtag was largely hijacked by the two-wheeled community
John Griffin, boss of minicab firm Addison Lee, has argued that an influx of novice cyclists could lead to more accidents. "It is time for us to say to cyclists, 'You want to join our gang, get trained and pay up'," he wrote.

Willson is sympathetic to the plight of cyclists. But an aggressive minority have become a metaphor for everything drivers hate. "They're dressed exclusively in Lycra and wraparound shades, they ride on the pavement, go the wrong way down one-way streets and straight through red lights. And that's why motorists hate them."

Cyclists argue that the minority who break the rules are simply more conspicuous when they misbehave. Drivers stuck in a queue of traffic have plenty of time to watch as an errant cyclist jumps a red light, for example.

There is also a sense of frustration as car drivers watch a pedal-powered vehicle overtake them. "The very fact that cyclists are able to filter through traffic grates on many motorists and they take that out on cyclists," says Reid.

The tweeting motorist's claim that she had a greater right to be on the road because she paid road tax is a widely held but inaccurate belief, says Reid, who runs a blog called - with deliberate irony - ipayroadtax.com.

The reality is that there is no "road tax", he says. Road construction and maintenance is paid for by everyone through general and local taxes. The Vehicle Excise Duty that motorists pay is levied according to engine size or CO2 emissions.

Is it time for the return of the cycling proficiency test?
Critics miss the point that bikes don't emit CO2 and that many cyclists also own cars and are paying VED anyway, he says.

While there is bad behaviour on both sides, it is an unequal relationship. The driver is protected by a metal shell while the cyclist is exposed.

"It's scary as a cyclist because you are the vulnerable road user," says Rob Spedding, editor of Cycling Plus.

"You have someone in a few tonnes of metal bearing down on you and you are just flesh and bone. It's potentially fatal."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22614569

Interesting..
:cop:
 
I did my second 100 miler on sunday, really does my head in when I'm on the road for six hours, but cars are snapping up my backside trying to overtake on bends because I'm holding them up for 30 seconds or so. Well boo hoo!
:)

Luckily, in these sweeping hills and villages of the Cotwolds, most of the roads I use are very small, and on sunday I probably saw more rabbits, horses and other cyclists than cars. In fact the closest I came to an accident was a dog off the lead snapping at my feet!
:thumb:

I pay road tax on the car, probably more than that woman in whatever samsong eco poxwagon she drives, so I'm paid up, but this year I have done twice as many miles on the bikes.
:)

That's the trouble with tweets, people as stupid as this woman who would otherwise go unlistened to, can broadcast their vacant musings.
 
hmm a law that automatically makes the driver at fault? why would that be a good idea?

there are just as many lunatic cyclists as drivers
 
Not sure what's going on with cyclists around Windsor at these days.

A fair few times recently I've nearly been mown down by them riding on non-cycle lane pavements; it seems totally acceptable now to do so. I'm sure the highway code hasn't changed regarding this matter, since I did my cycling proficency on my Raleigh is 1985?

It's not just old dears and geeks riding on the pavement, it's these lycra clad sausages too. They all seem to think they have right of way and the cops can't be arsed. Reckon a decent broom handle in the spokes will sort them out..... :frustrated:
 
cyruspower said:
lycra clad sausages
:lol:

A popular trick for cyclists in Oxford is to run red lights at pedestrian crossings which usually involves swerving around the pedestrians who are attempting to cross.

I've found that smacking them on the back of the head as they narrowly miss me focuses their attention quite nicely. Yes, please do come back so we can discuss it. :)
 
Young cyclist boy killed yesterday in Aberdeen by a mobile crane unit. I seriously do not believe bikes and cars should be using the same stretch of road. Having lived and worked on the continent I would say a much improved infrastructure is required to improve matters including better training all around. I was down in London for a show last month, riding a taxi the cylists appeared very aggresive compared with say Glasgow, Edinburgh or Aberdeen.
 
BillTheButcher said:
A popular trick for cyclists in Oxford is to run red lights at pedestrian crossings which usually involves swerving around the pedestrians who are attempting to cross.)

Now...

You are touching on something else here when you mention Oxford. People from all over the world, many not even drivers in their own country, can just hop on a bike and ride around here oblivious to what the highway code even is. Students run no lights all year, I see our boat crews riding with no lights in winter to the boathouses, I see people giving 'backies' on an almost hourly basis, no helmets, Ipods, the works. I recently followed a cyclist down walton street, he had no idea I was there, riding along texting with a pair of massive 'can' headphones on.

Thankfully I never ride in towns or cities, so I don't have to live with the disregard to cycle safety that obviously builds up amongst drivers in this enviroment.
:thumb:

Having said that, spend a whole day riding and you can get home thinking all car drivers are morons. As I said before, anything that impeeds a car by a few seconds is treated like 'road lice', and the longer they have to wait to pass increases the likelyhood they will not pass safely due to so many precious seconds of their time being lost waiting.
:roll:

As for red lights? The minute I see I can go, I go! In the moronic mind of a car driver at red lights you can never win! sure I bet they would like me to wait until they turn green? so they all have to follow me across at my speed? unable to pass me because of the pedestrian island the other side? with some of them not making it before it turns red again? They are too narrow minded to realise that I shoot off early so twenty cars are not held up by me or worse trying to squeeze me into a safety fence or curb so they can (precious seconds again) 'make the lights'. Hold them up and you're a bast'rd cyclist, give them a clear junction and you're a bast'rd cyclist!
:grin:

In fact I have decided it's car drivers that are the real 'road lice'.

On a car forum.
:hand:
 
Wow, it looks as though the tweeter's stupidity knows no bounds. She has now started making media appearances with a lawyer to defend her "story" :?

Video here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230 :tv:

Her legally mediated version of events now appears to be somewhat different to her original tweet, and completely at odds with the cyclist's recollection :?:

She's gonna need a bigger spade... :popcorn:
 
Ironically, the biggest issue that I have with cyclists is not as a motorist but as a pedestrian. Specifically with the subset of them who believe that red lights don't apply to them.

Frankly those ones are every bit the arrogant self important f**kwits that many of them claim drivers to be... :nooo:
 
Disco said:
Ironically, the biggest issue that I have with cyclists is not as a motorist but as a pedestrian.

+1

Adult cyclists on pavements :nooo:
 
I drive from Sidcup to central London most days in a Mercedes Vito van.

If its not Black cabs or motorcycles cutting you up not indicating, you have cyclists that think they have the right of way at every junction !!

Either coming up the inside, outside as I wait at traffic lights ( while I may have my indicator on to turn in their path !!!! They still come beside me blocking my turn, so I have to pull forward slowly watching n letting them go before I can take my turn, which I was actually there before them !!!

If I get the hump as yes, I will damage my van (which I keep pristine)and ruin my Insurance, but more importantly injure or kill a cyclist, I dare shout at them, (as people put it, they are skin n bone and I'm in a metal box), surely they should have more sense and take care !!!!

All I get for hopefully making them think twice next time is abuse or nice friendily hand gestures !!! Lol

I know I'm ranting and will read this later and hopefully edit it, but it can't all be on the car/ van drivers !!!!

Silver van man !
 
Many, many points missing from the above arguments.

I spent 10 years as a motorcycle instructor, examiner and later DSA.

I also regularly cycle to and from my childrens school.

The cyclists story does not add up. He is stating that he was hit by an oncoming vehicle and launched from his bike. If that were the case the injuries would certainly be substancial and damage to the bike and car obvious. You don't get launched into a hedge by a car travelling TOWARDS you with no injuries and no damage. That's rubbish.

A law automatically making car drivers at fault would be illegal in any European country, it contravenes so many rights its not even funny.

Road tax is irrelevant. I pay road tax.com is missing the point. Many cars don't pay road tax either. Paying road tax doesn't give you rights. what ALL road users SHOULD in my opinion have however is Insurance. It is a legal requirement for every other road user and so should be for a cyclist. If a cyclist causes a major accident...they are personally liable, but they should be insured to COVER that liability. Try getting money out of a cyclist who just wrote your car off...

If you use the road, you should by law be insured at least third party.
 

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