Fast Road Pad w/o Squeal

[R60BBA]

Folks,

I’ll be doing a pilgrimage to Stuttgart next year in my 997 and on the way back will pit stop at the Nurburgring for a few laps.

Although I’ve been to Germany several times, this will be my first time visiting Stuttgart and driving on the Ring in my 997.

The previous owner put EBC Redstuff pads on my car, which still have a fair amount of meat left. Redstuff are low dust producing, however I ran these pads on an E86 Z4 Coupe back in 2017 that I took on a pilgrim tour to Munich (including a pit stop at the Ring) and the car suffered extreme brake fade about half way into my first lap. The car also suffered brake fade whilst I was going down a hill on one of the roads near the Ring…

I have since been back to the Ring in my E46 M3 on numerous occasions where I have run both Genuine BMW and Pagid RSL29 pads and have not suffered with any brake fade.

I still run the RSL29s on my E46 M3, however they squeal like a pig, especially around town. The only way I have found to reduce the squeal (other than to swap out the pads) is to bed them in on a regular basis (i.e. get on an A road at 2 o’clock in the morning and complete the bedding in procedure) - which to be honest isn’t really a feasible solution.

Nevertheless, as my M3 is mainly used for Euro trips and track days, the squeal doesn’t really bother me. Plus I have already had the conversation with most people who jump in the car…so it isn’t exactly ‘embarrassing’ anymore. Although I still get looks from pedestrians when pulling up to traffic lights etc - but who cares…

Anyhow, I’m after a fast road pad which doesn’t squeal for my 997.

I’m not looking to do track days in my 997 as its primary use is A-B driving and the odd European road trip / Ring trip. Therefore I don’t need something as aggressive as the RSL29s.

Those who have driven on the Ring will know that it is a fast flowing track and doesn’t have many hard braking zones which eat up pads (unlike a typical 2/3 mile track), and so I am tempted to try the Genuine Porsche/Textar/Jurid pads.

Can the Genuine Porsche/Textar/Jurid pads survive the Ring without fading? (I’ve never tried them as my car came with EBC Redstuff).

I am also considering the EBC RP-X which I believe will be up to the job, but am not clear on whether these pads squeal or not. Can anyone who runs these pads please confirm?

I welcome your thoughts and suggestions on any alternative pads which are capable of lasting a few laps at the Ring without fading and do not squeal.

P.S. fluid will be Castrol React SRF and the lines have already been replaced with Wrightune braided lines.

Thanks

 

[remarklima]

Have a look at Brembo HP2 pads... They've survived a track day for me and do not squeal!!

 

[911UK]

EBC dont work on 911's imho and I have experience
I did try performance friction and they squeal and whilst have a very high friction level (too high for the 993)
, they squeal

there are some sports options from Pagid that have worked very well but are hard to source and rarely come in the right sizes

 

[Mac68]

EBC dont work on 911's imho and I have experience
I did try performance friction and they squeal and whilst have a very high friction level (too high for the 993)
, they squeal

there are some sports options from Pagid that have worked very well but are hard to source and rarely come in the right sizes

do you remember which pad compound you tried from PFC?

 

[martin t]

I ran the pagid 29's on my Exige Cup and offer this observation.

When hot they were the best pads I could have hoped for in that they lasted several trackday whereas the 42's (blue) lasted just less than 2.

However after the rack day when used in general driving the pads slowly began to squeal until the next track day when 1/2 lap and they were back to silent running. I put thisa down to the pad material needing heat to stop glazing and general driving never got the pads hot enough to not squeal. It is a issue with all hard pads.

The 42's were brilliant as a road pad and just as good as a track pad but 1 day at bedford autodrome and they were running on the back plates!

So in closing a few red hot laps will stop the squealing for a while, or swap ot the pads when not on track.

One other pointer is the fluid: At the time of writing I have forgotten what castrol fluid i used but it solved the brake fade issue I had before testing the pads. Boiling fluid has the same effect as the pads overheating and giving up, but I am sure all track day afficianados will know this already.

 

[R60BBA]

there are some sports options from Pagid that have worked very well but are hard to source and rarely come in the right sizes

Which sports option Pagid pads are you referring to?

And do they squeal?

 

[911UK]

Which sports option Pagid pads are you referring to?

And do they squeal?

the best set of performance pads were the
track performance and no squeals

PAGID S Sport Brake Pads S1203/T0377 (OE Part No 96535293904 / 95135193908) - Code: S1203
but
do not know if they have stopped making them

as they now have the Pagid Street+ range but I find the options very limited

 

[911UK]

do you remember which pad compound you tried from PFC?

PFB 08 COMPOUND
PFC Front Brake Pads

Went onto my 993, awful experience, tried everything to get rid of the squealing with no success, friction levels results in the brake fluid boiling on track as I have a solid warm up and cool down braking procedure

the problem with all such pads is the bedding in process, itself is a science

 

[pk2904-997]

I went to the ring just after my purchase, it was running stock discs and textar pads. I changed the brake fluid to motul 660 and fitting braided lines. The car was perfect no fade or spongy pedal.

 

[R60BBA]

I went to the ring just after my purchase, it was running stock discs and textar pads. I changed the brake fluid to motul 660 and fitting braided lines. The car was perfect no fade or spongy pedal.

Good to know.

What is your rough BTG out of interest? Feel free to PM if you prefer.

 

[911UK]

the Ring isn't that heavy on brakes IMHO from experience as it's fast and flowing

stock discs, make sure the holes are clear of brake dust and they will be fine
a proper DOT fluid upgrade is needed like Motul 660 of Castrol SRF

BTG is very subjective, traffic, different era's, I've never done a Ring TD in my more rapid days in GT car but 996 GT in 7"40 was the my limit giving tyres, aero and traffic but that was a long time ago

 

[pk2904-997]

the Ring isn't that heavy on brakes IMHO from experience as it's fast and flowing

stock discs, make sure the holes are clear of brake dust and they will be fine
a proper DOT fluid upgrade is needed like Motul 660 of Castrol SRF

BTG is very subjective, traffic, different era's, I've never done a Ring TD in my more rapid days in GT car but 996 GT in 7"40 was the my limit giving tyres, aero and traffic but that was a long time ago

Agree with all this. Ring is very fast flowing and easier on the brakes.

 

[R60BBA]

the Ring isn't that heavy on brakes IMHO from experience as it's fast and flowing

stock discs, make sure the holes are clear of brake dust and they will be fine
a proper DOT fluid upgrade is needed like Motul 660 of Castrol SRF

BTG is very subjective, traffic, different era's, I've never done a Ring TD in my more rapid days in GT car but 996 GT in 7"40 was the my limit giving tyres, aero and traffic but that was a long time ago

Agree and covered this in my initial post.

Reason for asking his rough BTG is to understand his average pace, given his comment on stock discs and pads being up to the job.

For example they may be at ~10 mins, but not at ~8 mins. He PM’d me though and it’s all good

 

[Mac68]

I went to the ring just after my purchase, it was running stock discs and textar pads. I changed the brake fluid to motul 660 and fitting braided lines. The car was perfect no fade or spongy pedal.

That’s pretty much exactly my setup apart from the brides lines. On a recent trackday I suffered quite a bit of brake judder once the brakes were warmed up, once cooled there were fine

 

[Svvg]

Agree and covered this in my initial post.

Reason for asking his rough BTG is to understand his average pace, given his comment on stock discs and pads being up to the job.

For example they may be at ~10 mins, but not at ~8 mins. He PM’d me though and it’s all good

Hi mate (we’ve messaged on the M3Cutters forum a few times - (SVVG on that site).

How did you get on with pads in the end? We have a 997.2 Carerra 2S Cab. The brakes are RUBBISH. I suspect cheapo pads from the last owner. We have had some brake pipes changes as one burst in the plastic bracket towards the rear union (apparently a known weak spot where grit rubs against it in the holder….) - so had a fluid change. I might change the flexi hoses (although not to braided - as never got on with the pedal feel) - but am interested in which pads you went for in the end?

I have ds2500 on my m3 - they are excellent for fast road - but very squeaky - so not viable for the 997 (which is my partner’s car). Am considering oem porsche pads or textar…