A window with a mind of it own...

[beejay993]

Can anyone offer me some advise on a passenger window that goes down fully when I open the door from the outside and then does not automatically close again, I need to turn on the ignition and close it that way...very annoying !

 

[GT4]

Microswitch in your door handle:

#14

http://www.pelicanparts.com/techart...dle_and_Lock/78-BODY-Door_Handle_and_Lock.htm

 

[beejay993]

Thanks for the post, does that mean a replacement part ? Or can these be reset ? It only does it occasionally?

 

[GT4]

You could try to clean it, but basically it is a replacement.

I guess if I can live with it, then you can live with it!

 

[beejay993]

Now I'm stumped! Changed out the door latch/locking mechanism, along with the internal micro switch (part 14 above)and the other micro switch in the door handle and it still goes down fully when I open the door. It only really does it first thing in the morning when the air has a bit of moisture in it, and it only does it once, if I close the window and open the door again, it just drops 5mm, as per the design......any ideas guys ??

 

[GT4]

I usually suggest getting PIWIS to diagnose for definite.

There are SEVEN micro-switches in the door.

So six to go.

Seriously, it sounds more like the end point or over-pressure sensors.

If it is the pressure sensor, you need to discount it is actually correctly detecting an over-pressure.

This can be caused by a dodgy regulator or friction in the guides.

Does the window go up and down normally (same speed as other side and no untoward noises)?

Otherwise, here are the SEVEN sensors:

DOOR MICROSWITCHES

There are seven microswitches in each door which control the alarm system.

Two are separate switches:

a) One on the outside door handle. This switch is used to sense that the handle is lifted.
b) One on the inside door handle, which has the same function.

When the car is unlocked and either handle is lifted, this signals the alarm control module (ACM) to lower the appropriate window by 10mm, and turn on the interior lights. As soon as the door opens, another switch inside the door lock (explained later) tells the ACM that the door is open, which holds the window down until the door is closed, when the window is raised, and the dimming timer on the interior lights is started. Once the car is locked, the outside handle switches are ignored by the ACM.

The remaining five switches are inside the door lock assembly:

c) One switch senses if the door is open or closed.
d) One senses that the key has been turned to the 'lock' position.
e) Another senses that the key has been turned to the 'unlock' position.
f) One senses that the door lock motor has reached the 'lock' position.
g) Another senses that the door lock motor has reached the 'unlock' position.


TYPICAL FAULTS

All these microswitches can be problematic, and it is common for one or more to fail at some time. These are some of the common failures and symptoms:

1) The door window won't drop when lifting a handle. This is usually the handle microswitch which has failed.

2) The window drops, but goes back up when the door opens. This can be the handle microswitch, or more likely the 'door open/closed microswitch' (c) has stuck. Because the system thinks the door is still closed, it sends the window back up.

3) Door window won't go up the last 10mm. This is likely to be the 'door open/closed microswitch' (c) stuck in the opposite sense to (2). The system thinks the door is still open, so won't allow the window to go back up. Note that in this case the door will still lock, but you may get a single-beep from the alarm horn.

4) Door will not lock with key. The 'key lock' microswitch (d) is broken. This is very rare, as this microswitch is hardly ever used – most times the car is locked by remote.

5) Door will not unlock with key. The 'key lock' microswitch (e) is broken. This is also very rare, for the same reason.

6) Door locks, and then immediately unlocks, usually accompanied by a double-beep from the alarm horn. This is the 'door locked' microswitch (f). The locking motor physically operates the door lock, but the microswitch to sense this has failed/stuck. The ACM promptly unlocks the car. In this case, the only way to lock the door is to use the emergency locking procedure. Turn the key in the door to the lock position and back three times in quick succession.

7) The door unlocks, but there is a beep from the alarm horn. This is the 'door unlocked' microswitch (g). Although the door is unlocked, the ACM has not recognised that. The alarm will not sound, as turning the key in the lock has deactivated it.


FIXES

The inside and outside handle microswitches are available separately, and are not too expensive. Although alternative equivalent switches may be available, the genuine Porsche switch comes with a connector and wiring, so it makes sense to use an original. Part Numbers:

Inside handle microswitch: 996.613.123.00 (Same both sides)
Outside handle microswitch: 996.613.125.00 (Left) / 996.613.126.00 (Right)

The door lock microswitches are not available separately. You have to buy the complete door lock assembly, at a cost of around £80+VAT. It has been known for people to repair the offending switch though.

 

[beejay993]

Thanks GT4, good advise. I changed out the complete locking mechanism £129 from Porsche so hopefully that has the bulk of switches covered also. Strangely I've noticed that the window in question does not reset to one touch closing (it does one touch opening) even when you carry out the full open and hold for 5 seconds...I'm presuming that is the reset procedure? I tried it with the ignition off, in position 1, full ignition and started, and still no success!!

 

[GT4]

Fully open holding button, release, then hold open button again for 2 sec (or more)
Fully close holding button, release, then hold close button again for 2 sec (or more)

If this doesn't teach it, it doesn't know you are teaching it: ie top or bottom extent sensors are messed up.

If multiple sensors look FUBAR, I may be the DME is the common denominator (water ingress etc)