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993 C2 Opinions/Advice Please

funkyrimpler

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Hi guys,
i saw a nice looking 993 today and would really appreciate your thoughts as im new to the world of the 993....the model i saw today was a 1994 C2 in overall good condition but with a few issues that cause me concern. Firstly, there is only a small amount of service history.

The vehicle was imported from the channel Isles in 2003 so the history starts there. Its very patchy although every MOT is available detailing the mileage, up to the current 50k. It requires a new clutch, so therefore i would also have the major service carried out whilst the engine is removed-any additional work that should be done at this point if i bought the vehicle, and also any potential problems to look for?

The sunroof works only intermittently, so i suspect a faulty switch(?)

Finally, the dreaded rust around the lower areas of the windscreen...ive heard horror stories of this costing circa £2k to remedy if fabrication and roof painting is required..any thoughts or advice on this..the drivers seat shows some wear, but i guess that this can be repaired relatively cheaply..there is also some bubbling beneath the black trim on the rear offside window...

I dont think that it would be prudent to spend more than perhaps £5k as the vehicle has poor history which may cause me resale problems...we have agreed on a potential deal for less than £17k in light of the above..is this a car i should consider or should i keep looking? the general condition of the paint, engine and interior leads me to think that the mileage is probably genuine...all original with almost no chipping only the points already mentioned.

Many thanks for your advice.
 
I was going to recommend you move to the next until I saw the price.

Putting 5k in to this car wouldn't be too crazy if it's otherwise sound.

Sounds like it needs some love to bring it back. If you like that sense of acheivement and want to get hands on, then I'd say you can't go too far wrong.

Gearbox type and Colours?

Get a PPI so you go in with eyes wide open.
 
its PPI has come back clean...the car was in storage for a couple of years which wont have done it any good. i looked at it on the ramp and it was dry as a bone underneath..i dont even think that the engine has ever been out...porsche owners are obviously paranoid about service history, rightly so, but one hears of falsified documents etc...and others simply repeat the mantra "Buy on condition, buy on condition"...
im just worried incase i do buy the car and things get out of hand...the scuttle ends up becoming an entire roof respray, the bubbling beneath the rear quarter window is a heap of rust etc etc...
another sleepless night..
ive been looking at 997s as a safer bet...but, although newer, theyre more generic, not a pretty (IMHO) and suffer the dreaded bore scoring!!
dabbling in the world of porsche ownership isnt for the faint hearted, and thats even before youve put your right foot in the carpet.

sorry forgot to mention...its polar silver :) blue interior :sad: but a six speed manual box :lol:
 
sound like the one I viewed in Mapperley, Notts???
 
funkyrimpler said:
sorry forgot to mention...its polar silver :) blue interior :sad: but a six speed manual box :lol:

Yep my thoughts exactly :grin:

Sounds to me the price is reflective of the condition and lack of paperwork.

It's a way in to 993 ownership that will mean less initial outlay. You then get to do as much or as little to it as you can afford or have the drive to.

I don't think you would lose on it if it's already passed a PPI with a respected expert.

Your heart has to be in it though. If it's not, walk and find another. But be willing to spend a lot more!
 
I'm curious that the seat shows wear at 50k miles.
The leather used on 993's is far superior to any modern "equivalent".
Granted , a lot depends on how careful previous owners were, how heavy :oops: they were etc, but also keep in mind that these machines are very easily clocked, even going so far as to clock between MOT's.
Tbh I smell a rat that you're being offered such a low mile 993 at the price quoted.
 
ballcock said:
I'm curious that the seat shows wear at 50k miles.
The leather used on 993's is far superior to any modern "equivalent".

Agreed. My car is a pretty high miler, but the leather is in pretty good condition. And, yes, it is far better quality than most current new cars - newer cars seem to be so much more disposable

I wonder if there is significant wear on the gear knob and pedal rubbers (though these are of course pretty easily replaced)
 
mileage correct??

Couple off good last posts there, seat wear does seem a little odd, but the price is dead bottom of retail 993's ,so there's light somewhere. At 50k (if gen) miles and its age, there could be some chunky items about due replacement and the snowball could roll a lot bigger than you expect, not necessarily requiring immediate attention but if your looking for the best possible 993 experience....It costs! What exactly do you want out of a 993, attending shows without a stonechip,close to perfection all round and zero depreciation or something to ply some miles on and experience whilst keeping a sensible lid on overall deterioration of an old car? The scarce history would be a smaller problem if you think you might have the car for good while, i think most on here (Not you Sram!) would say these cars are more or less indestructible running gear wise and a few (suspected) missed oil changes in all probability would not have significantly harmed the car but its speculative and convincing someone else not to worry about it come sale time may be hard in the short term. The fact is how the car has been operated will have a far greater bearing on wear then frequency of oil changes etc.

Christian...........
 
Personally I don't see a problem with seat wear on a 50k car. It is not as good an indicator of mileage as people give it credit for and has to be considered with many other factors.

I've seen wear on 20k mileage luxury cars (£100k plus) ie it's as much a factor of how they have been used and even how the driver has got in out of the car. Remember a low mileage car is more likely to have done lots of short trips = in/out which cause the wear and a motorway cruiser with twice the mileage could have half the wear. I used to have company cars with 80k plus miles on after 2 years and the seats looked like a two year old car with average miles as it was all motorway work.

The bolsters on 993 are quite pertruded even on none sports seats and these show wear relatively easily especially if the driver is "heavy set" :wink:
 
funkyrimpler said:
The vehicle was imported from the channel Isles in 2003 so the history starts there.
Don't they have computers or pens/paper in the CI? An internet fiver says that the history was "lost" because it was unfavourable.

Remember that HPI won't do you any good for stuff imported from outside mainland Britain - and that includes NI, CI, and IOM.

I'd say proceed with caution...
 
Lots of sensible posts, as you'd expect on here and I won't trouble to add my support for them, especially as they come from far more technically minded people than me.

My concern would be that it comes from the Channels Islands. I only say that because all the technical guys bemoan constant "urban" usage as opposed to motorway mileage. I have a general understanding of that concept but I'm sure that they will explain exactly why.

I have only been to the Channel Islands once. I went to Jersey on a Conference when I was about 22. The company had hired me an XR3i and it was waiting at the airport. Given my age, I couldn't wait!

I don't think that I managed to get it into fourth gear in the entire four days I was there. And I was really trying to drive it!

I can't imagine that a car that has been resident in the Channel Islands has ever stretched it legs and unless the owner has driven it in England or France etc, it will rarely have been out of second gear.

Just a thought.
 
Just noticed that the import was in 2003, which may allay some of my expressed concerns!
 
funkyrimpler said:
sorry forgot to mention...its polar silver :) blue interior :sad:


You're a newbie, so I'll forgive this.

Polar Silver is cool and a Blue Interior is very cool with Polar Silver.
 
Barney, I agree that the seat wear shouldn't be so much, but if previous owners were Big Boys, that can wreak havoc with bolsters and saggy bottoms.

I know, because i've got one.
 
I'm suspicious of the gap in mileage evidence, in conjunction with the interior wear.

My 50K interior looked like this when I bought:

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(Yes I know, the horror, it's a bit ... blue! Point is that these cars wear quite well in general)

Anyway I'd assume the mileage is not genuine unless you can get evidence to the contrary. Because the person who buys it from you later will assume that, and that's the value you will achieve on that day...

Where is the service book? It's not perfect evidence (a file of old invoices and MoT certificates is better) but it's a start when trying to get some confidence that the mileage is genuine.
 

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