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911 (996) vs Cayman

uuf361

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Ok, guys....looking for some objective and sound advice...........

Have ordered my Cayman for March delivery which gives me the chance to drive it before I buy.,........but I am also considering a second hand 996 (which I would need to get for under £50k to keep within budget)

I don't want anything particularly old, e.g. nothing pre-03 and am tempted by the OPC cars due to the warranty etc (which I understand covers everything for 12 months).

I am not overly concerned by the Cayman's initial depreciation but guess that a 996 will have taken a £15/£20K hit by the original owner b4 I picked it up which would be a good thing from my point of view.

My list of desired options is quite long and given the amount I'm spending (it's my first hig end car), I am not particularly willing to compromise. Here goes with the list (some of which I appreciate you find nuts but to me they mean something):

996 Seal grey (popular colour so should not be hard to find)

19 inch Sport Design (Carrera wheels) - I just like the look

Bi-Xenons (these I could let slip(
White instrument dials

Black leather (not willing to compromise)

Embossed head rests (could let slip)

Stainless/Carbon door entry

Heated seats (could let slip)

Coloured Wheel Centres (guess these could be done afterwards)

Park Assist (I just don't want to crash)

Rear Wiper

Now my question uis, does anyone think I will be able to find a car with such options and what do we all think of Cayman versus the 996.....

Also would you trust buying a car from a non-OPC dealer when it is out of the original warranty.

I a, in rather a quandry so any comments really are greatfully received (good or bad - I can take it!!!!)






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There is one specialist that gives an OPC warranty and has his cars OPC serviced

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Oh come on, uuf. Do YOU think you can get that spec? You can't be daft if you can afford to spend 50K on a car. So cast around and see what you can get that's closest to your ideal. And you know you're gonna have to compromise.

As to price, a few thou either way doesn't sound like it's an issue.

And as for Cayman vs 996, how would anyone know? Cayman ain't available yet.

Your post hints at warranty as being thing that folks here can most help you with. Fix it so that you can get the kosher Porsche warranty, either via an OPC or a good independent (like that Mark Pearce, who seems to offer a nice proposition). But bear in mind that to keep the warranty up ain't cheap - £750 pa or so.


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That's partly my point. When spending £50K on a car should I compromise on the things I want or should I get the new one which will mean I get to choose the exact spec I'm after?

Price not a big issue, finding the right car (assuming I go down the 996 route) far more important......


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Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by uuf361 on 10 September 2005

That's partly my point. When spending £50K on a car should I compromise on the things I want or should I get the new one which will mean I get to choose the exact spec I'm after?
Which is my point: only you can answer the question!

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if you drove a boxster and a 996 the choice would be made for you,

A cayman which is basically a Boxster with a Tin lid is never going to be as good a car as a 911, even if it did lap the Nordschleif quicker, the feel of the car is different the grunt is different,

If the cayman felt better than a 911 it would be suicide for Porsche to build it,

911 & Boxster customers are totally different, the product badge is the same, but the customers are different, it follows that it must be because the cars are also

And remember what i tell my customers

its not the car your buying today, but the car you've got in 3 years time to sell that determines your depreciation,

If you pay a little over your budget but buy a low mileage car now,

in 3 years time it will hopefully still be low mileage and then you have a car that hopefully you can sell privately rather than part exchange it for whatever you can get

the first question people ask when you sell a car is whats the mileage?


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Mmm, much food for thought me thinks....

I have started to and will continue to look round for what I want, but naturally understand some of the compromises I'll have to make.....I would actually really like a 911 as it is the car yound boys drema of, so this may be the way to car and as long as I'm not stingy on the budget I should be able to get something decent, late and low mileage. Plus I think a few of my desired options could be added without much difficulty post purchase.....will keep you guys posted......


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I spent some time looking for my 996 and in the end found that for the money your talking about the the best cars are within the OPC system.

Take a good look at the online Approved used car search tool on the Porsche UK site

http://www22.porsche.com/uk/approvedused/pre-ownedsearch/

use the advanced option and set the drop-downs but don't bother putting ticks in the options boxes as most don't appear to work.

As for your desired options you don't mention the important ones.

C2/C4Manual/TiptronicCab/Coupe

Get these sorted first. i.e. go for a few test drives

For 50k your looking at a low mileage 02-04 face-lift C2/C4 coupe you might even pick up a high mileage C4S.

The fitted options list seems to grow depending on the base price of the car, so for most of the cosmetic options you list you'll often find them fitted to a Turbo.

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by uuf361 on 10 September 2005



996 Seal grey (lots of these about)

19 inch Sport Design (no chance, all 18" - add on later)

Bi-Xenons (nice but only about 30% chance)

White instrument dials (rare on lower models)

Black leather (my choice as well but lots of grey about)

Embossed head rests (again fairly rare on lower models)

Stainless/Carbon door entry (easy add-on)

Heated seats (very rare on non-cab models)

Coloured Wheel Centres (easy add-on)

Park Assist (nice addition but only about 30% have this)

Rear Wiper (most fitted with this)
Also consider PSM and PCM, you may not feel the need for them but they are desirable options when it come to re-sale.

About 8 weeks ago for my £50k I manged to get :-

04 C2 Manual Mileage 16.5k Basalt Black / Black leatherPCM2 + Telephone modulePSMSunroofMemory SeatsPark AssistRear WiperTop tinted window screenHandbrake & Gear lever in AluLower center console in SilverNew rear tyres fitted6 months manufacturer's warranty remaining then 12 months OPC to follow

----Andy




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Andy

C2 Coupe Manual is what I would be after and the spec list you have on yours is pretty much what I'd be happy to compromise on, but I would like the colour, and I now know the weheels I want are actually 18's so they should be fine too.

Where did you get this one from if you don't mind me asking ? The OPC's I've checked all seem to want more like £55K for an '04. Have a call into mine to see what they say.

As for PCM/PSM, wouldn't mind them, but not must haves and now thinking about it, could ditch the heated seats (only a nice to have).

Will see what my search yields. Also on the plus side the cash is not burning a hole in my pocket as I had not planned to get the Cayman until March 1 so have plenty of time to source the right one....




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Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by uuf361 on 11 September 2005

Andy

Where did you get this one from if you don't mind me asking ?
Ended up getting mine from Nottingham but I'm closer to Cambridge.

I think mine was well priced but it had done quite a few for an 18 month old car

I kept an eye on the online system and when mine popped up I was straight on the phone with a £500 refundable deposit to hold the car while I got myself across to have proper look.

One thing I found was that the OPCs are often part of a dealer group. Cambridge is in the same group as Colchester and East London, Nottingham is tied with Sutton Coldfield and Wilmslow so they will happily sell you a motor within the group but are loath to liaise with OPCs outside their group.

A quick look on the system doesn't turn up any grey ones but I noticed a late Silver one at £50k

A real drivers car this one (No PSM and -10mm suspension)
http://ucl.porsche.de/uk/ucl/clients.start_ipl?fin_=WP0ZZZ99Z3S607799

It's one of the last C2 at 08/04 and low miles but low priced probably because it lacks PSM or PCM and it's also on the lowered sports suspension which is not to everyone's taste, but it does have a sports exhaust (it'll be switchable on this late model) which is the one thing I'd have really liked on mine. (it's an £1800 retro fit)

----Andy


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£50K - why not put £8Kish to it & get a 997 C2?
It'll probably be a 2006 model - 2 years newer than an '04 996 - and still be a current model in 3 / 4 years time when you come to sell it. And, you can spec it how you want........
I don't know how an 06 997 for £58K?? will compare in depreciation to an 04 996 depreciation wise - depends on the options you might go for will obviously push up the 997 price

996 Seal grey (popular colour so should not be hard to find) £00's
19 inch Sport Design (Carrera wheels) - I just like the look £1K?
Bi-Xenons (these I could let slip ??
White instrument dials ??
Black leather (not willing to compromise) std
Embossed head rests (could let slip) ??
Stainless/Carbon door entry
Heated seats (could let slip) ??
Coloured Wheel Centres (guess these could be done afterwards) £100
Park Assist (I just don't want to crash) £00's
Rear Wiper ??

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Mmm, the £60K (which I think would be the minimum specced up for a new 997) would just be pushing the boat out a bit far cash wise, so the 04 996 may just be the better option right now..

Have seen one 03/53 with 13K with some of my desired options (most importantly the wheels) for £47K....am trying to organise a test drive.

But how would I determine whether this is a UK sourced car as opposed to a broker import ? and shoudl this be of high importance to me ?

Andy - the sports suspension may not be so good but worth a drive to Bournemouth to check it out I think.....


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Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by marx on 11 September 2005

£50K - why not put £8Kish to it & get a 997 C2?It'll probably be a 2006 model - 2 years newer than an '04 996 - and still be a current model in 3 / 4 years time when you come to sell it.
A 997 to the reqiured spec would be over £63k



911 Carrera


£ 57,123.00

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Optional




Exterior colour




Seal Grey Metallic

Y1

£ 543.00

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Interior colour




Leather interior in Black

AT

£ 1,879.00

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Exterior




Bi-Xenon lighting system

P74

£ 705.00



ParkAssist (parking aid rear)

635

£ 325.00



Rear wiper

425

£ 229.00

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Wheels




19 inch SportDesign wheel

407

£ 1,256.00

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Wheel Accessories




Wheel centre set

446

£ 107.00

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Interior




Instrument dials in Carrara White

XFJ

£ 392.00



Heated seats

342

£ 269.00

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Interior Leather




Porsche crest embossed on head restraints

XSC

£ 126.00

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Interior Aluminium




Door entry guards in stainless steel

X70

£ 198.00

And I wouldn't even think about spec'ing a 997 without PCM if you don't want to lose a bundle at resale time.

------Andy




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