Would you buy it?

Harryblue · 3 Feb 2025

RichT001 said:
Sounds like you've made your mind up.

Not at all mate, I'm still all over the place, you can't make your mind up on a quarter of a million pound car until you've at the very least seen it in the flesh. And unless it's a pure investment piece (which it 100% isn't) then you really also need to drive one or absolutely at the very least sat in one and got a feel for it.

If it's going direct into storage then it doesn't matter, but I'd hope to put 5k miles a year on a car like that and whilst I do buy stuff unseen I don't think this is one of them. I bought my 930 at £125k completely unseen and undriven, but I'd driven enough other cars to know roughly what I was getting, whereas with the 992 I have no clue, I have extremely limited experience.

Harryblue · 5 Feb 2025

I dug out the Nov 2024 copy of the 911 magazine and then went off to make a brew so I could settle down with a drink to read the review of the new GTS.

Came back and the Cocker pups had other ideas.

Harryblue · 7 Feb 2025

I still haven't gotten around to testing the GTS yet, I'm waiting to see about availability, but I know a guy that has and he's made me think that whilst it's amazing it might not be the magic bullet I thought it was, it sounded like the perfect car, however, whilst everything that has been said is true, it also feels very heavy, he said you can really feel the extra weight and because of that you wouldn't buy it with a view to it being a 50/50 track/road car, which I thought something like a GTS might be good at, I was expecting a car somewhere between a GT3 and a Carrera S, but it seems like it might be a Grand Tourer rather than a track GT (which is what I think most people think GT means these days.

He made a comment that I hadn't though of and said it might be a lot easier to crash one of these than anything else. It's fast, very fast, it's 997 GT2 fast but 400kg heavier (and that got me thinking, so I googled it and it's 991 Turbo fast but something like 175kg heavier) and he reckoned he'd felt the potential for some understeer although he wasn't pushing.

So all that extra weight and all that extra power, might be great on a fast A road, it should be smooth and fast, but I bet it would be a challenge if you're looking for something you can track once a month. And because it's so fast, apparently instantly blisteringly fast, but with all that weight, you're going to struggle if you get yourself in trouble at speed, the brakes might be brilliant but the laws of physics still apply.

Edj · 7 Feb 2025

Nice review of the new GTS on UK roads in the latest Car magazine. It's in a group test with the Aston Martin and Mercedes. They touch on the point above by saying there is probably a better case for the 4 wheel drive model with this GTS than any one previously.

Harryblue · 7 Feb 2025

Edj said:
Nice review of the new GTS on UK roads in the latest Car magazine. It's in a group test with the Aston Martin and Mercedes. They touch on the point above by saying there is probably a better case for the 4 wheel drive model with this GTS than any one previously.

I'll have to have a look for it, I was doing some reading after I posted my comment and I found a test with Andrew Frankel which was about the 992.2 but he happened to be in a GTS and he seems to agree with a lot of the stuff the guy told me and interestingly he makes the comment below about 4wd.

"And I’d think really hard about spending extra on four-wheel-drive. Thanks to its fatter rear boots, this is the first 911 that is no slower off the line with two-wheel-drive than four, so you’re gaining nothing there. What you do gain is another 50kg of weight and those typically less consistent on-limit responses you find when the car’s shuttling torque from place to place, trying to save you from yourself. If you live in an American snow state or, perhaps, Aviemore, I get it. Otherwise, save yourself the money and the mass."

Why does Car Mag say it should have it?

s2000db · 7 Feb 2025

Harryblue said:
I'll have to have a look for it, I was doing some reading after I posted my comment and I found a test with Andrew Frankel which was about the 992.2 but he happened to be in a GTS and he seems to agree with a lot of the stuff the guy told me and interestingly he makes the comment below about 4wd.

"And I’d think really hard about spending extra on four-wheel-drive. Thanks to its fatter rear boots, this is the first 911 that is no slower off the line with two-wheel-drive than four, so you’re gaining nothing there. What you do gain is another 50kg of weight and those typically less consistent on-limit responses you find when the car’s shuttling torque from place to place, trying to save you from yourself. If you live in an American snow state or, perhaps, Aviemore, I get it. Otherwise, save yourself the money and the mass."

Why does Car Mag say it should have it?

Probably British weather and ***** roads

As always there’s a case for either buying the base or the top model..
In one you’re thrashing it hard, in the other you’re breaking early because of the speed you’re carrying..
Net journey time is probably very similar.

Edj · 7 Feb 2025

Harryblue said:
I'll have to have a look for it, I was doing some reading after I posted my comment and I found a test with Andrew Frankel which was about the 992.2 but he happened to be in a GTS and he seems to agree with a lot of the stuff the guy told me and interestingly he makes the comment below about 4wd.

"And I’d think really hard about spending extra on four-wheel-drive. Thanks to its fatter rear boots, this is the first 911 that is no slower off the line with two-wheel-drive than four, so you’re gaining nothing there. What you do gain is another 50kg of weight and those typically less consistent on-limit responses you find when the car’s shuttling torque from place to place, trying to save you from yourself. If you live in an American snow state or, perhaps, Aviemore, I get it. Otherwise, save yourself the money and the mass."

Why does Car Mag say it should have it?

Interesting, thanks for that. Good to hear that viewpoint from Andrew Frankel.

Car magazine quote as follows:

"With 450lb ft ready to chip in immediately from just 1950rpm, the T-Hybrid system now gives the 911 chassis that's so famed for its traction a proper workout, even with I0mm wider rear tyres - far more so than other modern Carreras, and indeed the GT3 models, which don't have so much readily accessible torque. It means adding all-wheel drive to this Carrera makes more sense than ever before, but the flip side is the rear-drive models are fantastically exploitable."

gizlaroc · 7 Feb 2025

RichT001 · 8 Feb 2025

gizlaroc said:

My daily will still blow the new .2 into the weeds. We just cannot use this power in the uk, so what’s the point?

Maybe I’m getting old, but the .1 in sport plus is still absolutely blistering. Or should we all fall for the hype and sell a kidney to have the next best thing?

Harryblue · 8 Feb 2025

I was unsatisfied with the latest thing and I’m definitely not championing having the latest car just for the sake of it, but I thought this new hybrid was worth a look.

I wonder where it will go though.
Cars capable of 200mph+ and getting your license seized (and jailed) within seconds.

They really do become nothing more than useless trinkets. It’s probably why drugs are so popular, that’s illegal as well but at least you get a buzz for your money.

Harryblue · 9 Feb 2025

It seems that OPCs are waking up a bit and being more helpful than they've been over the last few years when you had to bend the knee to get anything nice.

But unfortunately I wanted the one displayed back when they said it was a homage to this...

Unfortunately there isn't a spare one going in these colours, I've seen some of the ones people have specified and there are some very strange combinations.
If I could get this one below with the interior I want then I'd put my money down now.

911Tinnit · 22 Feb 2025

Harryblue said:
Preston have a black 50th anniversary Turbo unallocated and up for grabs at list.

I’m going in tomorrow to discuss it and a couple of others they have. I’m particularly keen to try a GTS demo car, I’ve heard they’re good and they said they’d be happy to give me a new GTS allocation with an approximate 6 month build wait.

If the 992 GTS is as good as people say then I may well spec one and order.

I like that 50th anniversary but £220k for a £170k car just for a badge is Porsche taking the micky I think. Obviously others feel the same and that’s why there are two sitting in OPCs unsold.
Now it we could just get to the same place with the ST.

The PEC guy I talked to last week said the new GTS is mega. He was running in the GT3 RS all day - hard life...

Harryblue · 23 Feb 2025

I don’t think I’d fancy running in a GT3RS, nothing happens until high up so it would just feel harsh and a bit dull - other than the buzz of being in one maybe.