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Reversing Camera / Backup Camera Retrofit. PART 1.....
Difficulty rating – 6/10 – Extremely time consuming trying to run wires from the back of the car. All cameras will require power and potentially an earth (some use the RCA as an earth). There are wireless options but most people choose a wired route as they are deemed more reliable so that is what I have focused on here. If you are unsure on fitting DIY then best to get a professional to fit.
Please note this is not a full retrofit installation guide (but I have provided links to other guides and added a few useful comments based on my experience). This is to help explain a little about the varied camera options available and more importantly camera choices and put these into one resource and so you can make your own mind up.
Background:
There have been a number of posts recently asking about Reversing Camera retrofits and how to add this functionality to your car. On the 991.1 range the option for a Reversing Camera was not available until late 2015 so most 991.1 cars do not have this option from factory given the 991.2 cars came out from 2016.
The native 991 PCM requires additional cabling with a module or an additional PCB (Printed Circuit Board) fitted to the car to add this functionality to the factory 3.1 PCM unit.
Camera Kits are available and popular options seem to be the NAV TV or the Empirical kits. Both similarly priced around the £300- £330 at time of writing with a £60 refund on the Empirical kit for the return of the programmable OBD Module, making it a very cost effective DIY option.
Please note that some of these kits require the original PCM to have software version 4.5 or above to work so please check your PCM if this is the route you are going to take.
You can check your PCM version like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOHLpWNwwA
Professional fitting is an additional cost but average cost of a supply and fit camera service seems to range between £550 - £750 dependent on kit used and time spent on the physical installation.
See below links:
https://www.nav.tv/manufacturer/porsche-991-reverse-camera
https://www.in-car-install.co.uk/sh...ter-981-pcm-3-1-reverse-reversing-camera-kit/
However if you are fitting a PCB module to the PCM unit it's probably worth thinking about making full use of the install and going down the Joyeauto/NM Automotive route which adds Apple Car play/Android Auto functionality as well as the option to fit cameras.
See my post here:
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=146206
These units allow you to not only fit a reversing/backup camera but also a front camera should you so wish.
However this is where the challenge first starts for the (DIY) route – Camera choice, where do you start?
If you look on line there is a huge selection of cameras to choose from so it can be extremely difficult to figure out what to purchase and at what price point you should be looking at. Cameras range from £10 to £100.
- For example is a £10-£15 camera the same as a £20-£30 option (i.e. Are they just more expensive/ marked up price for the same item) or do you get what you pay for?
- Is a branded camera better than a non-branded option?
- What's best a licence plate light replacement option or a dedicated camera that you either centre mount or drill to fit?
- What functionality is important?
- What resolution, angle and does it matter?
In this post I am hoping to help people reduce the time spent on contemplating what type of camera to purchase and answer a few basic questions. I have completed a bit of research and not just looked at 3 different camera options but have purchased them all to trial (severe delays in postage prompted me to choose a different model and before I knew where I was I had 3 to choose from!).
So with that in mind I am hopeful I can provide some useful feedback on the differences given my unique (some will say... mad) approach and help future people decide what route to take for your own retrofit given I have gone through the analysis.....
Camera Choices:
Before we go any further I am going to list UK websites and list UK prices which are correct at the time of writing. Of course there are other routes to take like Aliexpress that may well provide even cheaper options but you will need to factor in the time delay for physical delivery from China ( it was bad enough UK to UK for me during June 2021!) as well as a lack of support / return options. Also the physical quality of these cameras may or may not be different to the following listed. So I will let you decide if that's a route you wish to personally go down.
So how did I end up with 3 cameras?
My first idea was to order a central mounted wedge shape camera to provide an OEM look. But I was initially overwhelmed with the sheer choice! Literally you can spend £10 through to over £100 on a camera. So when ordering the NM Automotive Apple Car play unit I chose their recommended Camera which is a number plate light replacement option (the safe / easy route) which they provide to see how this both looked and faired in operation. It's priced at £50.
I also ordered an Ebay option as curiosity was getting the best of me and I was hopeful it would arrive in time so that I could choose between the two cameras at time of fitting the NM Automotive unit. But of course that did not happen, delays in UK postage meant that I received the NM Automotive product long before the centred mounted camera physically turned up, despite alleged 48 hour UK delivery on the Ebay camera.
I fitted first NM Automotive light replacement camera and when the Ebay camera finally turned up I started to compare the two and decided the cheaper end of the Ebay scale was not for me. Hence after more research I ordered the branded Connects2 option. So that's how I found myself in the unusual situation to be able to compare 3 different reversing/back up cameras.
So I am hoping someone will benefit from this.
£50 Option – NM Automotive LED Light Replacement / Angled- degree unknown:
https://742d6f80-4768-4b92-8ba0-cbc...d/7fd4cc_7e1058f4bc134188877f60be8f443951.pdf
Given I had bought the NM Automotive Carplay unit, they also supply a reversing camera option. This is a LED Light replacement item which does not require you to drill/alter the rear bumper in anyway other than swap out one of the number plate lights. You could probably fit this item without removing the bumper (it would however be a lot easier to do so). I wanted to try this option as it would be easier to fit (given no drilling) and I was curious as to how it would look and operate compared to a more OEM centre mounted option. I was also curious to see how it looked at night as matching the OEM number plate light brightness/hue can be tricky and has been mentioned on other Porsche threads... see 997 forum.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=142510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=carplay&start=0
On the 991 (mine at least) the number plate hue/brightness was a close match. Not perfect but extremely close to the point where the average person would not notice any difference.
Resolution: Unknown
Pixel Rating: Unknown
Image Sensor: Unknown
Waterproof Rating: Unknown
Low Light Performance: Unknown
Parking Lines: No
Cable: Supplied with 6.5m Video and Power cable for easy installation.
Connection Type: RCA Video
Postage Time: 48 Hours quoted, posted with NM Automotive unit when purchased together.
Initial thoughts:
The unit supplied by NM Automotive is very discrete. The actual camera is small in size and comes supplied with all of the appropriate cabling which all seemed to be high quality. There are no specs with the camera or fitting instructions and is why I have listed above as 'Unknown". However fitting is self-explanatory in that you simple replace one of the number plate lights which uses the existing factory fitting as well as the new wiring harness for the camera.
Picture Quality:
The picture quality is very good both day and night and parking lines are not provided automatically by the camera (this I later found out is a good thing!). The NM Automotive Apple Car Play unit gives you the ability to add these in as well as the steering lines and sensor display if your car already has them. If you were using this product with a different connection point (ie not the NM Automotive box but say an aftermarket stereo) you might want a different model that allows you to add/remove the parking lines by cutting a wire. Just like the Connects2 range item further below.
The view from the camera is a wide view when using it to reverse and the picture creates a good representation of what is behind you. Its good clean image both in width and height enabling you to see everything clearly behind you. It's a great option.
£10-£20 Option - Centre Mount / Angled 170 degree – Non Branded:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333721084875
At this low price point there is a huge amount of choice and many of the options between £10 and £30 look identical with the vast majority being non-branded. Therefore it is extremely difficult to gauge if you are truly getting a better camera at the higher of the range compared to the bottom of the range. The chosen example is a camera from the cheaper end of the market priced at £12.59 from Ebay. It is a non-branded angled 170' design with nut/bolt fitting to fix the camera in place to the car.
This looks very similar to the Nakita version (link below) as used by Auto Amateur in his You Tube install and so got my vote: https://www.amazon.co.uk/NATIKA-Backup-Camera-Waterproof-Reverse/dp/B07H852D49
Resolution: 480 TV lines (NTSC)
Pixel Rating: 720 X 580 pixels
Image Sensor: - Not stated
Waterproof Rating: States waterproof but no rating
Low Light Performance: Not stated in listing but included literature states 0.01 LUX
Parking Lines: YES
Cable: Supplied with 6.5m Video and Power cable for easy installation.
Connection Type: 4 Pin Power + RCA Video
Postage Time: 48 Hours quoted, took 7 days.
Initial thoughts:
The 4 pin power connector drew me to this camera along with the nut/bolt fitting. When it arrived it was packaged in a very small jiffy bag, (i.e. very little protection), but it had survived the post. The actual size of the nut and bolt fitting is extremely small and only a 10mm spanner is required. For some reason I was expecting the nut to be much larger than 10mm so it came as a bit of a surprise when I pulled it out of the bag and it was so small.
TO BE CONTINUED DUE TO PICTURE AND POSTING LENGTH LIMITATIONS !
Difficulty rating – 6/10 – Extremely time consuming trying to run wires from the back of the car. All cameras will require power and potentially an earth (some use the RCA as an earth). There are wireless options but most people choose a wired route as they are deemed more reliable so that is what I have focused on here. If you are unsure on fitting DIY then best to get a professional to fit.
Please note this is not a full retrofit installation guide (but I have provided links to other guides and added a few useful comments based on my experience). This is to help explain a little about the varied camera options available and more importantly camera choices and put these into one resource and so you can make your own mind up.
Background:
There have been a number of posts recently asking about Reversing Camera retrofits and how to add this functionality to your car. On the 991.1 range the option for a Reversing Camera was not available until late 2015 so most 991.1 cars do not have this option from factory given the 991.2 cars came out from 2016.
The native 991 PCM requires additional cabling with a module or an additional PCB (Printed Circuit Board) fitted to the car to add this functionality to the factory 3.1 PCM unit.
Camera Kits are available and popular options seem to be the NAV TV or the Empirical kits. Both similarly priced around the £300- £330 at time of writing with a £60 refund on the Empirical kit for the return of the programmable OBD Module, making it a very cost effective DIY option.
Please note that some of these kits require the original PCM to have software version 4.5 or above to work so please check your PCM if this is the route you are going to take.
You can check your PCM version like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOHLpWNwwA
Professional fitting is an additional cost but average cost of a supply and fit camera service seems to range between £550 - £750 dependent on kit used and time spent on the physical installation.
See below links:
https://www.nav.tv/manufacturer/porsche-991-reverse-camera
https://www.in-car-install.co.uk/sh...ter-981-pcm-3-1-reverse-reversing-camera-kit/
However if you are fitting a PCB module to the PCM unit it's probably worth thinking about making full use of the install and going down the Joyeauto/NM Automotive route which adds Apple Car play/Android Auto functionality as well as the option to fit cameras.
See my post here:
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=146206
These units allow you to not only fit a reversing/backup camera but also a front camera should you so wish.
However this is where the challenge first starts for the (DIY) route – Camera choice, where do you start?
If you look on line there is a huge selection of cameras to choose from so it can be extremely difficult to figure out what to purchase and at what price point you should be looking at. Cameras range from £10 to £100.
- For example is a £10-£15 camera the same as a £20-£30 option (i.e. Are they just more expensive/ marked up price for the same item) or do you get what you pay for?
- Is a branded camera better than a non-branded option?
- What's best a licence plate light replacement option or a dedicated camera that you either centre mount or drill to fit?
- What functionality is important?
- What resolution, angle and does it matter?
In this post I am hoping to help people reduce the time spent on contemplating what type of camera to purchase and answer a few basic questions. I have completed a bit of research and not just looked at 3 different camera options but have purchased them all to trial (severe delays in postage prompted me to choose a different model and before I knew where I was I had 3 to choose from!).
So with that in mind I am hopeful I can provide some useful feedback on the differences given my unique (some will say... mad) approach and help future people decide what route to take for your own retrofit given I have gone through the analysis.....
Camera Choices:
Before we go any further I am going to list UK websites and list UK prices which are correct at the time of writing. Of course there are other routes to take like Aliexpress that may well provide even cheaper options but you will need to factor in the time delay for physical delivery from China ( it was bad enough UK to UK for me during June 2021!) as well as a lack of support / return options. Also the physical quality of these cameras may or may not be different to the following listed. So I will let you decide if that's a route you wish to personally go down.
So how did I end up with 3 cameras?
My first idea was to order a central mounted wedge shape camera to provide an OEM look. But I was initially overwhelmed with the sheer choice! Literally you can spend £10 through to over £100 on a camera. So when ordering the NM Automotive Apple Car play unit I chose their recommended Camera which is a number plate light replacement option (the safe / easy route) which they provide to see how this both looked and faired in operation. It's priced at £50.
I also ordered an Ebay option as curiosity was getting the best of me and I was hopeful it would arrive in time so that I could choose between the two cameras at time of fitting the NM Automotive unit. But of course that did not happen, delays in UK postage meant that I received the NM Automotive product long before the centred mounted camera physically turned up, despite alleged 48 hour UK delivery on the Ebay camera.
I fitted first NM Automotive light replacement camera and when the Ebay camera finally turned up I started to compare the two and decided the cheaper end of the Ebay scale was not for me. Hence after more research I ordered the branded Connects2 option. So that's how I found myself in the unusual situation to be able to compare 3 different reversing/back up cameras.
So I am hoping someone will benefit from this.
£50 Option – NM Automotive LED Light Replacement / Angled- degree unknown:
https://742d6f80-4768-4b92-8ba0-cbc...d/7fd4cc_7e1058f4bc134188877f60be8f443951.pdf
Given I had bought the NM Automotive Carplay unit, they also supply a reversing camera option. This is a LED Light replacement item which does not require you to drill/alter the rear bumper in anyway other than swap out one of the number plate lights. You could probably fit this item without removing the bumper (it would however be a lot easier to do so). I wanted to try this option as it would be easier to fit (given no drilling) and I was curious as to how it would look and operate compared to a more OEM centre mounted option. I was also curious to see how it looked at night as matching the OEM number plate light brightness/hue can be tricky and has been mentioned on other Porsche threads... see 997 forum.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=142510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=carplay&start=0
On the 991 (mine at least) the number plate hue/brightness was a close match. Not perfect but extremely close to the point where the average person would not notice any difference.
Resolution: Unknown
Pixel Rating: Unknown
Image Sensor: Unknown
Waterproof Rating: Unknown
Low Light Performance: Unknown
Parking Lines: No
Cable: Supplied with 6.5m Video and Power cable for easy installation.
Connection Type: RCA Video
Postage Time: 48 Hours quoted, posted with NM Automotive unit when purchased together.
Initial thoughts:
The unit supplied by NM Automotive is very discrete. The actual camera is small in size and comes supplied with all of the appropriate cabling which all seemed to be high quality. There are no specs with the camera or fitting instructions and is why I have listed above as 'Unknown". However fitting is self-explanatory in that you simple replace one of the number plate lights which uses the existing factory fitting as well as the new wiring harness for the camera.
Picture Quality:
The picture quality is very good both day and night and parking lines are not provided automatically by the camera (this I later found out is a good thing!). The NM Automotive Apple Car Play unit gives you the ability to add these in as well as the steering lines and sensor display if your car already has them. If you were using this product with a different connection point (ie not the NM Automotive box but say an aftermarket stereo) you might want a different model that allows you to add/remove the parking lines by cutting a wire. Just like the Connects2 range item further below.
The view from the camera is a wide view when using it to reverse and the picture creates a good representation of what is behind you. Its good clean image both in width and height enabling you to see everything clearly behind you. It's a great option.
£10-£20 Option - Centre Mount / Angled 170 degree – Non Branded:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333721084875
At this low price point there is a huge amount of choice and many of the options between £10 and £30 look identical with the vast majority being non-branded. Therefore it is extremely difficult to gauge if you are truly getting a better camera at the higher of the range compared to the bottom of the range. The chosen example is a camera from the cheaper end of the market priced at £12.59 from Ebay. It is a non-branded angled 170' design with nut/bolt fitting to fix the camera in place to the car.
This looks very similar to the Nakita version (link below) as used by Auto Amateur in his You Tube install and so got my vote: https://www.amazon.co.uk/NATIKA-Backup-Camera-Waterproof-Reverse/dp/B07H852D49
Resolution: 480 TV lines (NTSC)
Pixel Rating: 720 X 580 pixels
Image Sensor: - Not stated
Waterproof Rating: States waterproof but no rating
Low Light Performance: Not stated in listing but included literature states 0.01 LUX
Parking Lines: YES
Cable: Supplied with 6.5m Video and Power cable for easy installation.
Connection Type: 4 Pin Power + RCA Video
Postage Time: 48 Hours quoted, took 7 days.
Initial thoughts:
The 4 pin power connector drew me to this camera along with the nut/bolt fitting. When it arrived it was packaged in a very small jiffy bag, (i.e. very little protection), but it had survived the post. The actual size of the nut and bolt fitting is extremely small and only a 10mm spanner is required. For some reason I was expecting the nut to be much larger than 10mm so it came as a bit of a surprise when I pulled it out of the bag and it was so small.
TO BE CONTINUED DUE TO PICTURE AND POSTING LENGTH LIMITATIONS !
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