My 930 thread

[FZP]

£124k + fees. Someone scored a bargain so long as its not a rot box under the covers

 

[Harryblue]

Sold at c£125k, which isn’t bad really and it shows how low things have gone, I reckon that would have gone for £50k more a couple of years ago. Although personally I think the colour probably played a big part,

I’d budget £75k and have that made all nice and shiny and enjoy it.

It’s a win-win really, if prices go up we can always cash in but if they continue to fall and these aren’t investor cars then I don’t have to listen to all that stuff anymore and we’ll see them outside on the roads because it’s just people that can afford to buy and drive them having fun in them.

 

[Harryblue]

I do have experience of Bosch being a bit shyte now, changed 2 in about 3 months on my old SC

Well I don’t know this for a fact, but I’ll bet your Bosch pumps were made on an entirely different line (and probably even country) than the Porsche branded ones.

We had to change the Bosch fuel pump because it failed almost out of the box and after that and it leaving me stranded I told the guys not to cut corners or go cheap, I’d rather get the money spent and get it done properly, so the whole lot has been refurbished and/or it’s new porsche parts. The hot start issue was a nuisance and ruining the car for me and I don’t have time to keep working my way through issues, we want to fly in for a few days, use the car and fly out.

So rather than work through it bit by bit I said to change the whole lot out and get the Porsche classic parts that so far have been good quality.

 

[Luddite]

Harry, I admire the way you are going about the restoration of your iconic Porsche, and thanks for sharing in such detail.

I can empathise with your frustration in terms of the variability of replacement parts, having had a little involvement with sourcing and fitting parts on a wide variety of equipment over a few decades.

I can remember the Porsche adverts in classic car press showing an x-ray image of an alloy wheel that was seemingly identical in outward appearance to O.E. but had seemingly obvious and potentially dangerous casting flaws.

I also remember the early days of knock-off parts in dodgy packaging trying to imitate O.E. kit, thinking back to a replacement wing for a Datsun on which the label was spelt Dotsun... Easy to spot for sure, but as time went on the fakers got better at it, there are plenty of examples to choose from right up to the minute..from medicines to aircraft parts..with varying degrees of risk in their usage..?

Obviously motor manufacturers have ever outsourced aspects of the parts they required to construct their machines, Henry Ford was expert in that area re his Model T, (-: For me the real confusion crept in when the original motor manufacturers and their original suppliers, themselves started off shoring, which seemed to evolve at a time when cost cutting seemed to be increasingly prioritised over product quality improvements..? I first noticed a drop in quality of Lucas electrical parts bought from Lucas agents and in Lucas packaging in the seventies, from then on it seemed to keep on going downhill for Lucas..

In more recent times I also think I read somewhere perhaps a year or two back that Porsche had production issues relative to shortages of wiring harnesses seemingly manufactured in Ukraine, not that I am suggesting there were quality issues in any way..more likely just one of the downsides of globalisation perhaps..

For sure some degree of confusion will ever exist in the mind, when one can buy a sparkplug from Bosch of the correct specification for a specific Porsche model, and that the imagined identical spark plug when bought from Porsche comes with seemingly nothing different than an extra form of I.D. applied by Bosch for Porsche, to enable the part to be identified as being purchased through the Porsche network....?

For sure I think I understand the motivation behind all that smoke and mirrors, more so when it comes to the difference it might seem likely to make in an extended warranty claim requiring a replacement engine/box or perhaps worse relating to a brake failure, where the Porsche O.E. I.D. may not be on discs, pads or any other item in the braking system that may not have failed it`s self...BUT..?

It matters not... until it matters... at which time it REALLY matters...? Also at such time whatever savings might have been made in running, repair or restoration using non-O.E. might be reassessed..?

Seems to me that dependant on personal priorities, if one can afford by whichever means to buy O.E. then that may be the safest bet...for many that just may not be available, but that is life..shrug.

There seem no doubt that there can be found Parts for Porsche that seem to exceed O.E. Porsche quality, and by some margin, which seems likely to be obvious in terms of Porsches manufacturing priorities and any fluctuations thereof..?

My personal Porsche part frustration relative to my 991 is more directed towards corroding exhaust fixings and others, where it on the surface appears that for not a lot more cost, Porsche could have utilised higher grade materials to not only improve the looks but the long term serviceability of the vehicles...? I guess those who have had to deal with seized bolts in suspension components would have their own ideas of improved material choices, even down to something as inexpensive as a smear of anti-seize compound when first assembled..?

Having typed that and having come across imagined improvements in equipment other than Porsche that at best created an issue not contemplated when originally fitted, and perhaps at worst caused another issue creating a domino effect, affecting of not only performance but safety... As typed a few paragraphs back, sticking to manufacturers O.E. spec kit may work out the safest option..?

As with much else it seems imagined improvements on the original can be taken to extremes in many areas, perhaps in the form of RUF, Singer and others...?

As ever, each to their own and consideration applied relative to variety being the spice of life...? (-:

 

[Harryblue]

I've seen manufacturers cut corners, I've posted about it here.

I suppose ultimately you have to sort the wheat from the chaff, I think the parts Porsche are making through their classic parts division seem good, I think it has to be because people won't use them otherwise, we bought engine stuff from there and it was clearly a lot better than any aftermarket stuff, so I do think I'm getting something more for my money by paying significantly more than a standard Bosch part made in Mexico, or wherever.

I think you can have a mix, but you need to understand the processes, that bloke shows those spark plugs like they're both made on the same day, on the same production line and with the same materials, when it's very likely (as I've said) that they weren't even made in the same country, let alone the same production line, and it could well be that the Porsche ones are much higher quality - only you can decide if they're worth five times as much, but we had a lazy plug on the 930 and we had to change them all out in case it was a bad batch.

I've spent so much time and money on this car now that I just want it to be right, if that means spending more on Porsche quality bits rather than take a chance on a Chinese accumulator then I'll pay the money, at the moment I've got more money than time, a couple of hours broken down is worth more than a couple of hundred quid extra on that accumulator, so it's a fair exchange if it works reliably.

 

[Harryblue]

Not much of an update, still waiting on a few parts but I think most of it is there now.

I didn't realise that the engine has to come out again to fit the new exhaust, wastegate and all the other stuff, I thought you could bolt it on from below, but Marc reckons it's just easier to drop the engine, build it up and then put it back in. He also said that despite their reputation they still don't quite just bolt straight on like the manufacturer claims, he said Fabspeed are without doubt the best, but they still take a bit of fettling and it's easier with the engine out. So that's more work than I anticipated, I should probably start asking more questions really.

Hopefully though, this should be the absolute dogs knackers when it's done, so I'm trying to be philosophical about it. One day I'll be wizzing through the Trough of Bowland crackling and burbling on the overrun, with a massive smile on my face and thinking it was all worth it.

Once this is done though I'm going to leave it, 375bhp is enough and I've spent enough, so once this is done I'll settle for what I have and stop tinkering, like I said it should be incredible.
I keep looking at the pictures of the boxes full of goodies to go on.

We've agreed a date of 5th May at the very latest to be finished, hopefully before then but I need absolutes because of my travel plans, so we had to nail it into the diary for then. That'll be almost a year (just about 11 months) from the day I picked it up.

 

[FZP]

Happy days. Looking forward to seeing in the flesh

 

[jonttt]

We’ll have to arrange an aircooled Lancashire run ;-)

 

[Harryblue]

Confirmed literally an hour or so ago that I'll collect it on the 3rd May, this was provisionally arranged when we were at Oulton but the boss at MLR just confirmed he'd definitely have it ready for me that morning, so I may as well book in the crap weather at the same time, it's par for the course, when I picked it up the last time (at 8pm on the 23rd Dec) it started to lash it down spectacularly all the way from Junction 16 to the edge of my village up in Lancashire two hours later.

Hopefully this time the gods of sunshine and not breaking down will be smiling on me.

 

[Harryblue]

Came across a picture and I'd almost forgotten how gorgeous it is, I can't wait to get back into it.

 

[Harryblue]

I *think* I finally managed to get that 50th anniversary green bag that I was after (https://shop.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/p/-50-years-911-turbo-touring-bag-93080213100-B/93080213110) I got an email today saying it was available and they've taken payment. Although this is exactly what happened a few weeks ago and then after a few days the order was cancelled and my money refunded because they said they'd sold out.

Last time it happened I gave up thinking that they were sold out forever and I bought the other one, but now the green one is back up and available, so they must make them in batches - or they've probably made several thousand and told people they only made 930 of them.

So that's one of each I've got, but I suppose you can never have too much overly expensive shite sitting in your wardrobe
The red one can live in the 930 frunk and I'll use the green one for travel.

 

[Harryblue]

I don't think this stuff is that popular in the UK, when I bought my bag in the UK they didn't really seem that sure of how to go through the sales process, they seemed a bit surprised that anyone was even buying a bag.

Contrast that with Dubai where they have a big section of the showroom for merchandise and staff dedicated to it.

Anyway, it's nice stuff if it's something you're into, the limited edition folder is lovely, it comes with a load of goodies and stuff inside. It's basically just a Filofax with a branded notebook inside and a place to hold your documents, some stickers, a metal keyring, etc, but it's very nicely done and there will only ever be 930 made, apparently.