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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:40 pm    Post subject: My 997 Carrera S progress.. Reply with quote

After 3 months of ownership, I thought I would start a progress thread. I like to do these as they always work out as a good diary to look back on, for myself and a prospective owner come sale time..

I decided I wanted a 997 around the time of January 2013 and it was to replace my BMW E46 M3 which, at the time, I had owned for just over 7 years. The problem was, I only wanted to get rid of the M3 because I fancied a change. I had bought it when I was 22 and it was my first "serious car", I spent some money on some select upgrades through my time with it in order to fine tune what was already a perfect car to make it a better car.

Anyway, 14 months or so later, having viewed a few 997's and after a very reluctant sale of the M3 after 8 years of ownership, I found my 997. I was going to keep the M3 but there was no point keeping a car which was on the same level as the 997 and adding a 6th car to the fleet.. (I would but the missus would have required an expensive sweetener). The M3 went to a good friend of mine and I still get to drive it so it's worked out well!

Anyway, I found my 997 after many months of keeping an eye on the various Porsche specialist sites, learning what to look for and what was what.. I was always set on a grey one but after seeing the Arctic Silver in the flesh, I was taken, a great colour for my OCD habits.

The car I found was at 911Box which isn't too far from where I live, luckily.. I popped down and met James, ex supercar detailing. He took me around the car and left me and my girlfriend to pretty much examine the car at will. After having a look, I asked for a test drive and off I went, had a good 20 minute drive and decided that I would have a think.. I wasn't 100% taken if I'm honest, I had another car in mind and after a test drive in that, I think I set a high bar. That was a BMW E46 M3 CSL.. In the end. I decided against the CSL as I wanted a change from a BMW. I figured I would have a 997 for at least a year and get it out of my system and then, if I felt the need, I could get into a CSL, albeit for a slightly higher premium at the rate they are appreciating!

A CSL I test drove, loved it, been in a few before that friends of mine owned, I can't fault it but just fancied a change from a BMW.. I think I may regret not going for it.

I even tested a FULLY spec'd GT86, fun but no guts!

So, I left it for 5 days or so, umming and ahhing about the 997, I loved the spec, 911box were really nice guys but I just wasn't sure about how the car drove.. It was a bit quiet, comfortable and just not an M3 and what I was used to. I called Geoff at 911box and said I want to come back and see and drive the car again, he was more than happy for me to do that. I went back, drove the car again and this time, no girlfriend in the passenger seat, I really went for it and was convinced, the mid range torque, induction noise and brakes (Now warm and not rusty from being washed) were good, came back and put a deposit down and agreed some work to be performed and I'd collect the next sat.. Front bumper repaint along with number plate holes removed, 1 wheel refurb, new centre caps and sills repainted were all agreed at a fair price.

Geoff, Pat and James at 911box were great, really nice guys and glad to get the car from them.

So, I've got a few cars which serve different purposes but the more interesting ones are my Mk3 Golf which is my first car and had a porsche 997 spent on it in the 12 years I have had it, winning every concours and general award that I went in for, I'm happy with it..

An MX5, for cheap (not so cheap now!) thrills, a great no gadget drivers car, I bought this car as a bit of fun but I think I have a bigger grin on my face drifting and driving this than I do anything else.. Bought it as a complete dog but spent some time getting it up to standard.

Saved from scrap

And my late E46 M3, a truly amazing car and I can see myself getting back into one very soon, on the road, I think it is more fun than the 997 and just does everything you could ask of it.

Porsche brakes, alcantara bits, Meister coilover, replacement rear floor, polybushed, etc etc, it was M3 perfection if I do say so myself.

I'm going on a bit so I'll get to the 997 story.

A few from first viewing the car, it wasn't in gleaming condition, the car has been left in a honest state when I first saw it, I liked this as it hadn't had any of the possible "dealer" clean ups which can hide marks and oil leaks etc..

The car had been driven by a woman for the past 7 years, 2 kid seats in the back and clearly used as a general use car out in the country somewhere. Everything had been done by the book, full Porsche history, N rated tyres all round, 27k miles blah blah..

Bought the car, picked up some road tax at a local post office, went to drive away but the battery had died within the 5 minutes it has been parked up!! My dad was local and had jumpers so he came and rescued me, tested the battery and it was dead.

Thankfully, 911box replaced the battery with a brand new one but this slightly dampened the new car experience that day!

Orange indicator bulbs swapped with chrome coated versions

No more horrid orange glow

Bay clean up and BMC on the first full day of ownership

It was filthy, as if it had never been wiped!

I also went on to fit a customer Samco intake hose and blocked the Helmholtz res with a random rubber cap I had in a spares box.

Had a visitor

3M Stone guarded the vulnerable sills edges

Night time drive on the local "test track"..

LED front sidelights (Left side comparison)

Headlights out to fit my Osram CBI HID bulbs (Well worth upgrading to these!)

The big underside clean!!
27k/9 years of country road grime

Rusty clip had stained the sill which made that appear as though it was rusty..

A poor effort on porsches belaf, a metal clip attached to the body, rust was appearing on mine so after some treatment, I decided to use some stoneguard to protect against the metal clip rubbing the body.

Scrubbed using various products

Wheels all stripped, cleaned and protected with Gtechniq

Fronts got it too

Mud from just 1 side of the car!!

Underside doesn't escape..

All under trays removed and cleaned.. These are worth removing, I must have removed a gardens worth of stones and mud!

First wash prior to a machine polish and deswirl session.

Took some inspiration from the GTS and had some Carrera S door vinyls made.

Yet to go on, 3rd Rad kit (Alos oil filter and new side chip guards)

Marking out original position

Coming off

Gen2 key

Tips off for a clean!

Bumped into an older relative outside the local sainsbury's

After a full clean

Lowered the car on H&R springs and fitted DesignTek spacers

These didn't escape being cleaned and sealed with Gtechniq

Going to fit slightly wider ones on the rear..

In 2 minds about the rear lights, I always planned to do a Gen2 rear but I think the Gen2 rear is a bit "soft" so I'm going to get some Dectane rear LEDs, in the mean time I thought I would use some clear rear vinyl to change the look..

Some night time pictures to finish this off for tonight..

Still a few more bits to come.. Alcantara steering wheel, gear knob and handbrake. Painted seat back or possibly alcantara too, braided brake lines with ATE superblue fluid are all next.

Exactly 3 months into ownership, after a slightly disappointing start, wasn't sure if I had made the right move, I can happily say I'm over the moon with it. I'm lucky enough to have some great roads local to me and I often go out for late night drives which is where the car comes into it's own... When I initially bought it, I was using the car to commute and just general town driving and I was bored, the car needs to be near the redline and going at pace to really see what it was built for, the springs have really sorted the bobbing/light front end and that was one of my biggest gripes.. The noise, the looks, the feel, totally in love. I love N/A engines and this is a great one, I do still miss the M3 as I find that to be more fun in town and at lower speeds, slightly more throw-able but the Porsche takes cornering speeds to a new level and is the faster car all round. So lets see, will I still change it for a CSL or wait until I can get a GT3..

A silver 911 was always on the cards it seems..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great thread and lots of nice pics Mark. Well done. Thumb

As someone who only modifies their cars with the occasional window vinyl, does no DIY work and who only cleans the bits I can reach without taking anything off all I can say is ..... worship .

I'm certain that the more you drive the car, the more and more you'll fall in love with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like T8, I'm full of admiration for what you've done, all good stuff, including getting behind the protective covers under the car! Saw you're considering Dectane lights, I did that all round and have been very pleased, I think it's subtle but very effective update.

I've been through quite a few cars in my driving career and although I'm by no means an expert driver, I can tell my 911 has a depth of ability and sensory pleasures nothing else has come close too, you're affinity with your car is sure to get stronger the longer you have it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice post - cheers and enjoy the fantastic C2S ! Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers chaps, I have to say, the more I have driven it, the more I have connected with it. I have purposely been going out for driver after midnight, just to have an open blast. I just had to get used to it being a different configuration to anything I have owned before, the nearest I have had is my girlfriends old MR2 Roadster! (Another good car btw)

T8, definitely going to get myself some Dectane lights, I was holding off until I was happy with the car, so they will come shortly.

The springs have made it the car it should have been from the factory and really helped settle my mind about the car. I just need to have some more camber dialled in up front to try and reduce some under steer without adding too much instability at speed. I will also be replacing the P Zero tyres with Michelin PSS all round.

Now the car is nearly at a standard I am happy with, I'm looking to get at least 1 track day booked as well as a trip to the 'ring this year to really find myself with the car. Hope to meet some of you guys on my experiences with the car too!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent thread! You've really taken to 911 ownership.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely looking car mate Thumb love the M3 too.. Had one about 4 yrs ago E46 M3 SMG..

Yours was a rare colour, were you ever on M3 cutters?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good read Mark and inspiring to say the least.
I should get my fingers dirty more often.

Regarding the understeer, have you considered a wider front tyre?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stunning work, keep us updated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks stunning buddy and loved the Silverstone M3 very rare.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, I have always been one to delve in and see the under pinning’s of my cars and get them back to as clean as can be, makes it much nicer to work on and maintain.

Maxie – You inspired me to crack straight on and do the 3rd rad and low temp thermostat, so thanks Wink

Syve – Lovely in the Carbon black, probably one of the best colour, I just couldn’t live with it with my OCD habit! I am on Cutters, had a little progress thread for the M3 on there.


I was told that the car was 1 of 6 with the black leather interior ordered via the Individual factory. I know about 2 years later BMW produced 54 cars in Silverstone blue with matching Silverstone blue leather. Truly brilliant cars and going for silly money now!

Pzero, I haven’t given it too much thought to be honest. I thought I would try the geo first and then see. I upset the balance on my M3 when I went from 225 – 245 front tyres but now you've mentioned it, I’ll look into it, thanks for the kind comments also Wink If I had a GT3, my girlfriend would have probably left me by now as that would command ALLLLLLLLL of my time, you’re a lucky guy! Once she pays toward the mortgage, hopefully that will be next!

Will keep this updated, next jobs will probably be fitting the rad, thermostat and magnetic front plate.

Thanks again! 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, excellent job, the kind of stuff I would gladly do myself! Glad you are enjoying your 911.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, definetly enjoying it!

Exactly 3 months into ownership today Smile Dance Tap

Waiting on a quote back from Jack @ Royal Steeringwheels for my steering wheel to be trimmed in black alcantara with added thumb grips and grey stitching, along with handbrake and gear knob Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoying this, look forward to the additions.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject: Great Thread Reply with quote

Now you have done your springs you might want to search on here fro Centre Gravity, i read loads about them and thought it can't be a life changing as people made out.

Then i went for the day and realised just how well a set up car can handle, best mod by far that i have done, really worth a look. Great car, keep us all posted as to your progress Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread. Great work and great car. Love what you have done.

Thank you for posting.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent read! Hope you enjoy the Porsche experience. Saw an E46 CSL at The Hare meet near Chelmsford on Saturday and struggled not to come home and search the internet for cars for sale !! Confused The induction inlet on the CSL looked massive.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, Thanks for the tip, I do need the geo doing, now the car is lower, the wheels have some negative camber (perhaps that is reason for the better feel..) but now the car has settled, I do need to get it booked it for a setup.

Thanks Simon and Steve.

The CSL is an immense car, infact, the normal E46 M3 is, I have really grown fond of the 997 now so I can't see me replacing it with a CSL, much to my girlfriends delight. I do hope to get myself an E46 M3 to strip out and turn into a track/drift toy.

No updates on the 997 at the moment. I have planned to perform an oil change and fit the centre rad kit on the upcoming bank holiday weekend, no doubt I will take some pictures along the way. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

excellent work you have done , the car looks so much cleaner . The engine bay before and after pics are the boll@x worship
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Very enjoyable and readable thread, thank you.
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