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pierrebear
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Alarms, immobilisers and trackers... Reply with quote

Hi all,

I spent yesterday with Christian Sanger looking into the alarm system(s) on my car. As my car was a C16 car it was fitted with aftermarket systems designed by Hamilton & Palmer.

Surprisingly Porsche UK must have had some old systems lying around. Despite being a June 95 build date, 1 August registration the car had a PA100 (hundred, not a typo) system installed. This consists of the remote fobs (one red master, two black) and the ultrasonic sensors. The car also had an immobiliser blade on top of all that.

All of that is of course in addition to Porsche’s own factory alarm system which is linked to a horn rather than a siren and is fabulously annoying and attention grabbing when triggered.

I know many of you will say, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but that just didn’t cut it with me...particularly as Swindon OPC managed to trigger my PA100 on reconnecting the battery post wiring loom replacement. To say that it sounded pathetic, asthmatic and wouldn’t have stopped my granny (let alone a thief) is probably giving it too much credit.

Christian and I found that there were myriad alarms lurking under the seats and in the wiring under the dash. This also included separate control boxes for closure of each of the windows and the sunroof. All told we have stripped out a large bag (pic attached if you don’t believe me) of crap - some 3.1 kilos in total.

The other point to note is that our cars are beautifully engineered from factory - even the cable ties have a neat and tidy home to live in. The UK spec alarms are often rather poorly shoved in anywhere that suited the fitter - and it makes a total mess of the seats etc. I am a little surprised that the aftermarket ones have stood the test of time quite as they have given the state of the electrics and how they were carved into the existing infrastructure.

Anyway, food for thought I suppose. I feel much safer knowing the car has a really robust factory alarm system in place which is in rude health and will wake the dead. I might consider getting a cheap-ish GPS tracker at some stage but I’ll cross that bridge another day perhaps.

All the best,

Pierre
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cableguy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice bit of weight saving there. Bet she drives a bit quicker now. Grin

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost certainly!

In all seriousness, it is nice not to have all sorts of thuds underneath the seats when one is pushing on over less than ideal roads.

It’s also much easier to put ‘her’ on a diet than me, cableguy! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 944 died on me in a pay car park. It was fitted with an all singing and dancing Clifford alarm by a previous owner at great expense. I had to be towed out and the following day it self healed. It failed again later, on the drive this time, so I stripped it ending up with a similar bag of bits and fitted a simpler Sterling immobiliser. The instalation of the Clifford was shoddy and would take 5 mins to bypass, all the interrupts very easy to identify. the 993 had an HP which also stranded me so that also has a Sterling.
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ballcock
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you’re sending it all back to Euro Car Parts with a note Saying the HP lead set was unsuitable.
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The Dragonmeister
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar problem with the Hamilton Palmer alarm fitted to a 1996 993. It was draining the battery and then setting off the alarm. I ended up getting the alarm removed (like yours) and having a Cobra alarm and immobiliser installed.
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Tobesetc
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Battery drain common on those - mine did same. It's because the back-up battery in the siren gets old and won't hold any charge, so continually drains main battery until that dies.
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HPNer
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine got the same treatment, the original Huntley and Palmer (sic) co-existed with a Lazer system . . .it was all pure crap. And like yours Pierre, it weighed a ton . . .
Christian removed the whole caboodle and replaced it with Tore's T-Lock system.
The T-Lock is a very simple remote system that centrally locks the car and activates the original Porsche system. Very neat and modern. The red lights in the door caps come on to indicate activation.
Needless to say, I'm very happy with it. I do have a $50 Chinese Sim card tracker that may give a warning in the first hours of a theft, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
If a professional thief wants your car, there is no security system that is going to prevent him. So why bother . . .?
Bandit
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Tobesetc
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really got the argument that "you can't stop them so why bother", Phil. I'm happy paying top dollar to protect my car.

I am assured by someone I respect that no thief is going to find my tracker quickly and apparently won't even try - they'll park it up almost immediately and see if it gets picked up by the rozzers (or in my case, Metatrak). If it's still there in 2 days, then they take it.

Admittedly this makes it "stolen recovered" I guess, but I have to hope that the deterrent of the stickers makes them not take it at all... mind you, they'll never notice one small "Cobra" sticker on my car at the moment and it's not exactly inconspicuous! I do like getting a phone call when the alarm goes off (...at Silverstone as the classic F1 cars roared past!) or being able to click my app and see where it is &/or turn it off. Plus, I can see how garages have driven it Wink (always very sensible, fortunately!).

Each to their own!

Sorry - off thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a brave man that attempts to nick yours Toby . . . !
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