Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:16 am Post subject:
Ghengis wrote:
Mine is slowly being covered in overspray! Not long now
Bit by bit Thomas, it'll get there
It'll be next to new once you get it back
Mine is still sat in the garage with the rear bumper off, waiting for me to strip the wheels off!
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igaffz Albert Park
Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 1665 Location: Newcastle upon tyne
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:15 pm Post subject:
Don't worry mate I've done sod all to the cars for ages, to cold! But I'm determined to do something this Sunday, need to get the 944 back on its wheel and clean the 964 from the run out in Yorkshire _________________ Horizon blue, 964 carrera 2 tip, lowered on koni's, k&n, de-cat, cup pipe, leather trim and 18" 3 piece split rims.
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deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject:
I’ve given myself a few jobs to sort on the 964 over winter. Its taking time, as I seem to be doing all of them at once!
First up is replacement of the rear lights. These deteriorate over time, due to heat from the engine bay discolouring and cracking the lenses.
A full set of replacements from Porsche is c. £350. I noticed with interest that replacement lenses have now hit the market, priced at only £100 for the pair. The only problem is, you have to dismantle the lights!
I needed practice. Ian and Steve came to the rescue with old lights that they had in their parts bins. Time to get to work.
Step 1. Wait for the missus to leave the house a warm the light lens in the oven to weaken the original glue / mastic. 100oC for about 9 minutes does it. Too much and you’ll melt / distort the internals. Not enough and the lens will come away breaking some of the backing plastic.
Step 2. Once it’s out of the oven use a knife to cut around the glue / mastic and then separate as carefully as you can. I found a flat blade screwdriver helped.
Practice needed though. The first lens wasn’t heated enough and the plastic of the actual lens unit was damaged. After three attempts I had a usable pair of lights.
Step 3. Trim off the residual lens glass using a dremmel. First a cutting disc and then a sanding disc.
Step 4. Apply glue to the original glue marks and clamp closed.
Step 5. Think I may apply a neat bead of silicone to ensure that they are sealed and don’t steam-up. _________________ Porsche 911 (964) C4 - Project RED - Outlaw4
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deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject:
While all of the above was in progress I’ve removed the LMs from the car for refurb. Ian has kindly lent me some D90s to sit the car on.
Centres have been cleaned-up, etch primed and primed. Centres are in progress, with Porsche Agate Grey the new colour. Im busy re-polishing the lips as I go…
Hi Chris
Nice work with the lenses, I'm planning on doing the same to mine.
It sounds as though the temperature is quite crucial, if it doesn't come off with gentle pressure put it back in the oven for a few minutes more.
Do they come with instructions? I noticed on another post you were looking for later lenses, mine's a 91 but I think it was built in 90 are these different or harder to do?
Logan
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:18 am Post subject:
AVI_8 wrote:
Hi Chris
Nice work with the lenses, I'm planning on doing the same to mine.
It sounds as though the temperature is quite crucial, if it doesn't come off with gentle pressure put it back in the oven for a few minutes more.
Do they come with instructions? I noticed on another post you were looking for later lenses, mine's a 91 but I think it was built in 90 are these different or harder to do?
Logan
Hi Logan,
Putting them back in the oven does help. They seem to start splitting at the corners, where pressure must be greatest, due to the curve on the lens. You can work in sections to prise them away.
A post on Rennlist suggested that the darker coloured lights (maybe the older ones?) were harder to split. These were the older ones, and it wasn't too hard. Cant confirm either way i'm afraid.
When I bought the lenses from Design 911 you didn't get instructions or glue, you now do and they're an extra £5 I think?
Hope that helps
Chris _________________ Porsche 911 (964) C4 - Project RED - Outlaw4
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Chief Indianapolis
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2465 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:40 am Post subject:
Nice work as usual Chris. Not sure I fancy popping car parts in the oven, Gill would kill me
I guess another thing to put on my list of things to eventually get around too... _________________ - 964 C2 The Red Baron - 914 2.0 Project Blue Book - Cayman S Sport Edition Amber Alert! -
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:41 am Post subject:
Chief wrote:
Nice work as usual Chris. Not sure I fancy popping car parts in the oven, Gill would kill me
I guess another thing to put on my list of things to eventually get around too...
Its all about timing Chiefy. Not timing the light in the oven, just timing that the misses is down the shops for the afternoon (and you have plenty time to clean-up the evidence).
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paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1546 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:24 pm Post subject:
Great stuff Chris
What did it taste like?
Cheers,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
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1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
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2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
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2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject:
paul284pt wrote:
Great stuff Chris
What did it taste like?
Cheers,
Paul
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Chief Indianapolis
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2465 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:23 pm Post subject:
Brilliant!!
You two kill me
Have you noticed that you pair are just doing 'tarty glam' jobs now...
About time new projects are undertaken boyz
Paul, how about another 924 Turbo? _________________ - 964 C2 The Red Baron - 914 2.0 Project Blue Book - Cayman S Sport Edition Amber Alert! -
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1546 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:02 pm Post subject:
Hi Chief,
Yeah, but Chris is always ahead of the game, just look at his trophy cabinet A gentleman would have edited that out of the photo to spare our blushes You're right, we're just a couple of tarts anyway
I do need a new project but just had Edward's Karmann Ghia's engine and gearbox rebuilt and while it's been away he's filled the rest of the garage with gaming machines which he's doing up and selling Good for him but frustrating for me.
I have been very tempted recently with a couple but I might just hang out and get what I really want, a 924 Carrera GT, if they take a dip but I have stuff to do on the house too, sigh! Maybe next year.
Anyway a few pics of the KG just to prove I haven't exactly been idle. Apologies Chris for the hi-jack
Cheers,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
AVI_8 Trainee
Joined: 19 Jan 2014 Posts: 74 Location: Prestwick
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:55 pm Post subject:
deutschland-dobson wrote:
AVI_8 wrote:
Hi Chris
Nice work with the lenses, I'm planning on doing the same to mine.
It sounds as though the temperature is quite crucial, if it doesn't come off with gentle pressure put it back in the oven for a few minutes more.
Do they come with instructions? I noticed on another post you were looking for later lenses, mine's a 91 but I think it was built in 90 are these different or harder to do?
Logan
Hi Logan,
Putting them back in the oven does help. They seem to start splitting at the corners, where pressure must be greatest, due to the curve on the lens. You can work in sections to prise them away.
A post on Rennlist suggested that the darker coloured lights (maybe the older ones?) were harder to split. These were the older ones, and it wasn't too hard. Cant confirm either way i'm afraid.
When I bought the lenses from Design 911 you didn't get instructions or glue, you now do and they're an extra £5 I think?
Hope that helps
Chris
Hi, yes it does, thanks for the tip, I'll get them with the glue, pity the same can't be done with the centre reflector!
Logan
igaffz Albert Park
Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 1665 Location: Newcastle upon tyne
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:17 am Post subject:
Nice one Chris, I've herd your lass haven't used the oven yet anyway so you should be ok!
My end game will be my current 964 and a light blue 924 turbo. When the 928 goes this year and I've finished the 944 I'll be on the look out for a suitable project, probably next year though, I want to use the 944 for a while. Wouldn't mind someone taking me for a spin in one first though, to see what there like? Something about a 924 shape I've always really liked! _________________ Horizon blue, 964 carrera 2 tip, lowered on koni's, k&n, de-cat, cup pipe, leather trim and 18" 3 piece split rims.
Silver 928 S2, B reg, manual.
Guards red 944 lux, the new project!
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:38 am Post subject:
[quote="AVI_8"][quote="deutschland-dobson"]
AVI_8 wrote:
Hi, yes it does, thanks for the tip, I'll get them with the glue, pity the same can't be done with the centre reflector!
Logan
Any time
A guy on German eBay was selling the centre reflector, but it looks to be removed from sale. I'd struggle to fit that in an oven and would have to try with a heat gun though!
paul284pt wrote:
Apologies Chris for the hi-jack
No worries Paul, i've always had a soft spot for that KG _________________ Porsche 911 (964) C4 - Project RED - Outlaw4
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deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:41 am Post subject:
igaffz wrote:
Nice one Chris, I've herd your lass haven't used the oven yet anyway so you should be ok!
My end game will be my current 964 and a light blue 924 turbo. When the 928 goes this year and I've finished the 944 I'll be on the look out for a suitable project, probably next year though, I want to use the 944 for a while. Wouldn't mind someone taking me for a spin in one first though, to see what there like? Something about a 924 shape I've always really liked!
Nice to know where you're headed bud. Im sure the 928 will make the correct money in the summer
Two light blue Porsche's sounds cracking, and the 964 and 924 will be totally different to drive
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MarkGolf Nürburgring
Joined: 13 Nov 2012 Posts: 379 Location: S.London
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:12 pm Post subject:
Ohh, I need to pull my finger out and sort my lights out! I have the lenses but it's a job I keep putting off.
What is the fitment like now you've glued the new ones one? I heard that they can bow outward.. _________________ My 964 My 997
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1979 Mercedes 280e
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deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject:
MarkGolf wrote:
Ohh, I need to pull my finger out and sort my lights out! I have the lenses but it's a job I keep putting off.
What is the fitment like now you've glued the new ones one? I heard that they can bow outward..
Im yet to re-fit them Mark, as the back bumper is off the car at the moment. Will keep you posted
The shape of the lights means that they are under tension and want to bend out. The key is the clamping. For the first light I only had two clamps, so had to glue and clamp and then re-glue and clamp once the first section was dry.
Second time round was easier, as I borrowed a couple of extra clamps, so could apply tension to all surfaces at once
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MarkGolf Nürburgring
Joined: 13 Nov 2012 Posts: 379 Location: S.London
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:32 am Post subject:
Thanks!
You inspired me to make a start on them rather than sitting in front of Netflix last night. I got as far as bringing them inside and stripping everything off, I plan on putting 1 of them in the oven and see how I get on. 100 degrees / 9mins is what I will do. Takes me back to my Golf days and splitting lights to paint the inners black
Thankfully I've got 6 of those clamps although I just realised, I have no glue so I'll have to get some. Did you specifically buy the glue pictured above?
I bet these lenses make my centre look old. _________________ My 964 My 997
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1994 Eunos Roadster S Special Turbo 270bhp!
1979 Mercedes 280e
1995 Golf VR6 3.0
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2447 Location: NE England
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:41 pm Post subject:
MarkGolf wrote:
Thanks!
You inspired me to make a start on them rather than sitting in front of Netflix last night. I got as far as bringing them inside and stripping everything off, I plan on putting 1 of them in the oven and see how I get on. 100 degrees / 9mins is what I will do. Takes me back to my Golf days and splitting lights to paint the inners black
Thankfully I've got 6 of those clamps although I just realised, I have no glue so I'll have to get some. Did you specifically buy the glue pictured above?
I bet these lenses make my centre look old.
No worries Mark,
I just trawled ebay for a glue specific to hard plastics. This glue had a car rear light on the packet, so it convinced me (!)
The Rennlist guys use a different glue, but in not sure how easy it is to get over here?
I've re-read their thread and they think the older model lights with gasket all the way round (like the ones I did) are harder to separate then the newer ones. With heat and careful prising apart, it'll be OK
Good luck and take your time
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A gentleman would have edited that out of the photo to spare our blushes 
Good for him but frustrating for me.
