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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: PASM failure... Ouch Reply with quote

Hi all, I had some knocking from the front of the car, assumed it was the usual drop links, however turned out to be the dampers. Confirmed later by a warning on the dash "PASM failure". I've had to book the car back in in a weeks time, in the meantime I am stuck in the seriously firm track setting. It's just not funny on oxford roads, horrendously uncomfortable.

Anyway, I thought I should share the latest cost with you. An eye watering £500 per corner for pasm shocks, excluding labour. Something to consider as the 997 gets older
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi clarkey,

What's the mileage on your car?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi 73k
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bilstein b6, better and cheaper
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure I had heard that you can have them rebuilt as the bilstein facility is in Leicester. I think centre gravity can arrange this so may be worth a few phone calls?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will check out both suggestions thanks, really helpful. Just checking its ok to drive around on failed Pasm isn't it? I am assuming it is, like its just the suspension working in its firmest setting as the valves don't open! Thanks
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its fine, I drove that way for a month on CGs recommendation
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in a similar position, changed everything apart from the damper in an attempt to resolve a knock on my drivers side. (80k)

Can i change just the fronts to b16's with the PASM option to start with or do i need to do all 4 at the same time?

Im just after a quiet car, not one with a fancy setup Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, can you clarify this for me please? Can Bilstein in Leics rebuild existing PASM units, or just their own replacement non PASM units?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supposedly the oem and their own

I wouldn't mix dampers generally, the B16 you can only by as a set anyway as they a full coilover solution

B6 are the PASM dampers and they can be bought in pairs
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slackster wrote:
Im in a similar position, changed everything apart from the damper in an attempt to resolve a knock on my drivers side. (80k)

Can i change just the fronts to b16's with the PASM option to start with or do i need to do all 4 at the same time?

Im just after a quiet car, not one with a fancy setup Smile


Glad to hear I am not the only one, same here, garage went through all the obvious stuff- drop links anti roll bar, changed bump stops... Didn't work. Dampers were the last resort. I knew it would be the dampers as just before the pasm failed it made less noise in sport mode. Anyway I am looking forward to a quite car too. Don't suppose I can use the warranty for this? Its probably down to wear and tear?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dampers are specifically excluded from the OPC warranty, sadly Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Markiii , i did a bit of investigation earlier and you confirmed my suspicion that the b16's are an overkill for me, do you know if the b4's are effectively the OEM replacement for the stock ones?

Depending on the price i'd be interested in bilstein refurbing my suspect one though if its cheaper all round.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B4 are oem equivelant, b6 are same but mono tube and gas filled

B8 are b6 but designed for use with lowering springs

I recently had the b6 fitted, and would again
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

markiii wrote:
supposedly the oem and their own


I think that the point that everyone is skirting around here is that AFAIK, Bilstein actually are the OEM - they make the standard dampers (which is why they are the people to go to in order to have them rebuilt).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roughly what are we talking cost wise to rebuild PASM shocks and how long could it take? Is it significantly cheaper and reasonably convenient compared to buying new PASM shocks. Also the shocks look very corroded, is this just superficial, or better off buying new and taking the hit all things considered?

I must say commuting in my "PASM deactivated" sportish mode killed me this morning - its bone jarring through town, then quite eary/unnerving when cornering as you dont have PASM adjusting all the time. I really dont like it, cant wait to get fixed up!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just been on to Bilstein Leicester , they can refurb the shock to original factory spec for £80+Vat per corner, and its takes around 4-5 days to turn it around.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is good. How hard is it to get it off the car ?

Can you provide a contact or contact number?

MODS - is it ok to put contact details into a thread?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slackster wrote:
just been on to Bilstein Leicester , they can refurb the shock to original factory spec for £80+Vat per corner, and its takes around 4-5 days to turn it around.


That's brilliant news, a fraction of the cost of new... Just 4-5 days of pain.... Got to come up with a plan...
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sausage wrote:
That is good. How hard is it to get it off the car ?

Can you provide a contact or contact number?

MODS - is it ok to put contact details into a thread?

Thanks
Mark


Here's the link:
http://www.ileicestershire.com/profile/186670/Leicester/Bilstein-UK/

Apparently they only rebuild internals, outside remains as is. Price is very tempting, just got to sweet talk the garage into having my car with them for at least five days!
 
  
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