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cambjones
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4

PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jd2 wrote:
Red993C4 wrote:
I can see this thread causing a run on these parts. Very Happy


Well I just ordered a set off Ebay and some paint from Paints4U Very Happy


I feel like we should do a group painting class Razz

Thanks for the tips on paint supplier... I actually found I've used Paints4U before, when I did the 993 Chassis Legs... not sure how that slipped my mind.

So from Dom's email this is what you need for a DIY

Quote:

"use a good primer and laquer, flat it with wet and dry between coats and use a tack cloth when appropriate then you will be able to obtain a finish that will be unnoticeable from a job done in a booth."


Last time I got the following (2011)
1. (BSB 3AZ) OCEANBLAU (£11.99)
1. Power Can Clear Coat Lacquer Upol A/sol (£5.50)

so I just need to add the primer to a similar order.

Dom/Jontt, a few questions for you if you don't mind...
1. Can you remember if you needed 2 cans of the colour mix or more?
2. How many coats of primer, colour, clear lacquer did you apply?
3. What grade wet/dry paper did you use. did you go through 600, 800, 1,200?

I assume the 'tack cloth' just to clean up the surface right before apply a coat of paint?

Can you tell I'm excited about doing this, nothing like expanding your skills.

Cheers.
 
  
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jonttt
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest with such a small part I would not bother cutting the primer or paint back if you can do them all in one session.

Ie wet and dry with 800 or 1000 then tack cloth dry / clean in preparation nb meth spirit will do the same job important thing is no dirt dust or grease and surface keyed slightly for primer to stick.

Find a nice dry dust free place and prime the rear c3 light coats until touch dry then turn over and do the fronts ie 10 min between coats to touch dry. Then turn over again and colour paint again 3-4 coats can be slightly tacky between coats but leave the last longer to touch dry and turn over to front and repeat. Make sure touch dry before turning to add the final lacquer layers 3-4 light layers again.

Nb if not a well ventilated space get a disposable face mask (they are not expensive), damp it and wear it for each paint. The fumes are toxic and you will have a bad throat for a few days if you don't. Against the paint supplier will have these.

If you do all this in one session in a dust free area you should not need to cut back with wet n dry.

Leave for at least 24 hours and then cut the lacquer back with a polish and then wax up. That should give you a nice shiney lacquer finish.

Nb use card to paint on as newspaper can stick too easily. The hardest bit is getting the layers thin / thick enough and even. Start the spray past the part and sweep past back and forth never turning over the part. Clear the nozzle often as they easily clog.

Remember if you ***** it up you can easily rub down and start again ie these are perfect size parts to experiment with.

A made up can will have much more paint than you average halfords / OEM pre made can so one can will be more than enough for the job. Get the lacquer from thg same supplier as they usually sell the better anti scratch stuff for no extra premium as they buy it in bulk.

Happy spraying. Just find a day you can take your time and go back to it every 10 min over a few hours.
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cambjones
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonttt,

That is just the kind of advice I needed, many thanks!

Like you said, nice small parts to sharpen up my skills.

Cheers

Highway, jd2... 'Show and Tell' when we are all done Smile

Who else is doing this?
 
  
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highway
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have ordered the bits now as well. Famous last words...How hard can it be?
 
  
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jd2
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
lots of useful advice.....


Many thanks, will be my first attempt so appreciate the advice. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great use for the washing line





 
  
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Dom B
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much as Jonttt's post but I did thoroughly wet sand the mouldings with 800 grit and then 1200 grit paper prior to applying a high build primer, I then flatted the primer with 1200 and the base coat with 1200 - 2000 grit paper and plenty of clean water. Finally I flatted the clear coat prior to polishing, this will leave a perfectly smooth mirror like finish that will have no orange peel whatsoever.
A tack cloth was used prior to primer, base coat and clear.

Wet sanding will reveal any high or low spots that are in the moulding or that can be caused by applying to much paint in one go.

A dry and dust free enviroment is paramount. Outside on a damp day is a no no.

Don't get too excited with the progress that you are making and rush the job, allow sufficient drying time prior to wet sanding to ensure that the paint is not too soft otherwise you could ruin what you have done by accidentally marking paint that is too soft with the slip of a finger nail or small piece of grit on the wet & dry.

When you have finished and are admiring the professional finish that you have achieved don't get tempted to move on to painting larger parts of your car Hand
 
  
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highway
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am ducted. Got these fitted and they look great. Massive improvement IMHO. If you are debating it, do it. Makes the front end look more modern an the led sidelights look far more OEM here than in the standard aprtures.
 
  
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jonttt
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumb

They are cool aren't they and the easiest reversion back to oem you could wish for.

Did you get the £100 copies and if so how well did they fit ie pics please to show off your hands work Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew at Type 911 is a great guy to deal with.
Often gives me advice, and sometimes you can see its to save me money, and not line his pockets.
He's very erudite into the bargain.
Very dry indeed

He's got a beautiful blue 993 Turbo.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been to see these Ducts this morning.
They are injection moulded plastic.
Far better than glass fibre ones.
Lot less prep to paint.
And a lot stronger, they really look the part.
Correct Hella spot as well.
 



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acamp76144
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So whats the verdict - on balance any benefit of paying up for the genuine articles that johnttt used? (assuming I want an LED version too)
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These were the copies. If my tech skills stretched beyond turning the ipad on I would post pics. Up close I can see a bit of orange peel if I'm honest but I'm happy enough. Buy them from Type 911 with confidence.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highway wrote:
These were the copies. If my tech skills stretched beyond turning the ipad on I would post pics. Up close I can see a bit of orange peel if I'm honest but I'm happy enough. Buy them from Type 911 with confidence.


Thks, and to confirm the lamps are LEDs?
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cambjones
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highway wrote:
These were the copies. If my tech skills stretched beyond turning the ipad on I would post pics. Up close I can see a bit of orange peel if I'm honest but I'm happy enough. Buy them from Type 911 with confidence.


How did you go with the painting?
 
  
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RobIpswichUK
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1994 Porsche 993 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to seeing some painted and fitted ones on a dark car (i.e. Highway's or Cameron's) as they look great and easily visible on lighter cars (i.e. silver) but not sure how visible they will be on a darker colour.

Been considering this myself for a while since I say them on Stocksie's old cobalt 993S which looked great (but again a lighter colour)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the closest I've found (interesting silver ducts on a dark car)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it makes it any easier to decide I think in hindsight I would have bought the copies.

Its a 5 min job to rub them down as a key and prime them for painting (ie the only difference to OEM appears to be they are primed from factory).

Once they are painted I don't think you would notice a difference so why pay significantly more than you have to now that you know about these Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobIpswichUK wrote:
This is the closest I've found (interesting silver ducts on a dark car)


Hey Rob, thanks for posting this pic.. I was considering going silver on mine also when I saw this GT2 at Goodwood. They really looked good.

 
  
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madasasnake
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cambjones wrote:
RobIpswichUK wrote:
This is the closest I've found (interesting silver ducts on a dark car)


Hey Rob, thanks for posting this pic.. I was considering going silver on mine also when I saw this GT2 at Goodwood. They really looked good.



I agree Cam.

I was discussing the same thing with Jontt as The Oulton Park Gold Cup.

I've been thinking about having them for a while and was thinking that I would have them as another "Steel Grey" accent like the wing mirrors etc.
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