Those haunches are awesome - I love the fact that the new Turbo is significantly wider than even the C4/ C4S... so much presence, but not ideal for British roads or car-parks though! _________________ 997.2 C4S Cab PDK - Current
957 (Cayenne) GTS - Current
928 S4 Strosek Auto - Current
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997.2 Turbo Coupé PDK
E46 M3 Cab and a bunch of others (330Ci Cab, IS200, 316i Coupé, et.c.)...
Roro Long Beach
Joined: 01 Oct 2010 Posts: 6079
Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject:
Disco wrote:
Maxie wrote:
isysman wrote:
If the Turbo is only available with PDK then I would consider the GT3 over the Turbo when the time comes.
991 GT3 only available in PDK as well.
A bit of a mixed message on the PDK-only thing for the Turbo. The official email from Porsche GB that came this morning said :
"With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available)..."
... I'm sure they're doing this specifically to wind up the GT3 crowd...
A manual Turbo option when they know 99% will be spec'd as PDK, and no manual GT3 when probably 20-30% maybe higher % would spec it, nice one Porsche _________________ 2007 997.1 GT3
2015 DMAX Blade
2016 Smart ForFour
I scanned over the press release and didn't see that there is a manual version available. I agree totally that it seems crazy they will provide a manual turbo but not the GT3? Maybe you will be able to have the turbo gearbox on your GT3?? Haha _________________ 911 GT2RS Build
987 Boxster S 3.4
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mr pg Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 355 Location: N London
Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 8:18 pm Post subject:
isysman wrote:
Because of the performance figures of the new GT3 I would consider one over a new turbo. I imagined the new turbo would have better performance seeing as how they managed such good figures from the GT3. 0-60 times there is almost nothing in it.
If the Turbo is only available with PDK then I would consider the GT3 over the Turbo when the time comes.
Below is a part of an email I had from local OPC. States manual is an option. Sure that will help put more in a turbo than GT3 judging by animosity over PDK only GT3.
With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available), the latest 911 Turbo coupé produces an impressive 520 hp and generates 660 Nm of torque. The 911 Turbo S coupé delivers 560 hp and with the ‘overboost’ function as part of the Sport Chrono Package, 750 Nm of torque can be obtained and a 0-62 mph time as low as 3.1 seconds
The press release says "As with the latest 911 GT3, the new model will be sold exclusively with a seven-speed dual-clutch auto."
I can't imagine they would develop a manual transmission fo rthe Turbo and not offer to fit it in the GT3 (or some variant). I think the OPC must have been mistaken. _________________ 911 GT2RS Build
987 Boxster S 3.4
The email I got said manual is an option on the new turbo, so someone somewhere is telling fibs
As for the car itself I really can't make up my mind. Had a quick play on the configurator and with my modest *cough* requirements I still managed to nudge £150k which is an awful lot of wonga
I got a little bit excited at the prospect of 2 active spoilers , but the raw performance figures left me cold. Having already sampled the sound symposer in a 991 test drive last year those tailpipes look aurally promising, and despite an otherwise fairly weak rear, the overall styling looks good. I really don't like the wheels though...
If I could imagine for a moment that the 997 turbo s didn't exist (sorry porky ) my money may well be heading towards a GT3 instead...
ladenfranz Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 07 Feb 2013 Posts: 356 Location: Germany
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:55 am Post subject:
Quite interesting. But I'm still looking for the money. _________________ Rainer
997.2 C2S PDK - current
997.1 C2
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30191 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:33 am Post subject:
I call Bullsh!t
(or at least some dimwit setting marketing cut-and-paste to auto-pilot)
Let me see, who might know
"the next 911 Turbo will not have a manual." - Dr Wolfgang Hatz, Head of Porsche R&D.
I am pleased to inform you that the new 911 (Type 991) Turbo and Turbo S coupé models were announced worldwide today.
There are a number of Turbo models available but there is only one 911 Turbo. The benchmark for everything that Porsche builds, the 911 Turbo reaches the pinnacle of what is technically feasible and the latest coupé models are no exception.
Whilst externally the new models remain distinctly Porsche, fitted as standard is rear-axle steering that delivers greater manoeuvrability and safety as well as significantly increasing driving performance. A further enhancement is the introduction of Porsche Active Aerodynamics (PAA) that provides the perfect combination of everyday practicality, efficiency and performance, all achieved in true 911 style.
With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available), the latest 911 Turbo coupé produces an impressive 520 hp and generates 660 Nm of torque. The 911 Turbo S coupé delivers 560 hp and with the ‘overboost’ function as part of the Sport Chrono Package, 750 Nm of torque can be obtained and a 0-62 mph time as low as 3.1 seconds.
Despite all this power, fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are up to 16% better than the previous models, thanks to innovative systems that keep the vehicle weight low and make optimum use of fuel.
The new 911 Turbo coupé and the 911 Turbo S coupé will be on sale from 28 September 2013. Pricing is as follows:
911 (Type 991) Turbo coupé £118,349.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)
911 (Type 991) Turbo S coupé £140,852.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)
An order can be made by placing a £10,000 deposit with our Porsche Centre. Included in the total price is a half day driving experience at the Porsche Experience Centre, Silverstone and a three year warranty.
For more information on the 911 Turbo models please contact us, or visit www.porsche.co.uk
Yours sincerely
Clive Lueless
New Car Sales Manager
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30191 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:52 am Post subject:
Quote:
Clive Lueless
New Car Sales Manager
Exactly
(hopefully SL won't mind your satire)
Just as an aside, it seems particularly cruel to make CL/SL sign off all his letters stating he has only just started in the job.
Could be worse I suppose, they could have given him the "Trainee Car Sales Manager" title.
Slayer Watkins Glen
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 2247 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:27 am Post subject:
ladenfranz wrote:
Quite interesting. But I'm still looking for the money.
May be a group buy? 10K as deposit will work out cheap _________________ Current: A45 AMG FL 2017 , Golf GT
The Configurator only shows PDK but the above letter states 'manual available'?
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Slayer Watkins Glen
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 2247 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:33 am Post subject: update
I am going to check on the configurator and see for sure about the manual.
no manual shift..mistake in the letter then
Quote:
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
Engine
Engine layout Rear engine
Layout / number of cylinders 6
Displacement 3 800 cm³
Power 383 kW (520 hp)
at rpm 6 000 - 6 500 1/min
Max. torque (Nm) 660 Nm (Overboost: 710 Nm w. Sport Chrono Package)
at rpm 1,950 - 5,000 1/min (Overboost: 2,100 - 4,250 1/min w. Sport Chrono Package)
Compression ratio 9.8 : 1
Fuel consumption
Urban in l/100 km 13.2 l/100 km (21 mpg)
Non-urban in l/100 km 10.5 l/100 km (27 mpg)
Combined in l/100 km 9.7 l/100 km (29 mpg)
CO2 emissions in g/km 227 g
Tire Labelling see attachment
Transmission
Driveline layout All-wheel drive with map-controlled multi-disc clutch, Porsche Traction Management (PTM), PTV Plus incl. fully variable electronically regulated rear differential lock, standstill management with hold function
Manual-shift gear not available
Automatic transmission available yes
Automatic transmission 7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) with manual controls on the steering wheel and gear selector
Chassis and suspension
Front axle McPherson, Independent suspension on lateral control arm/trailing arm, PASM, stabilizers
Rear axle Multi-link rear axle, PASM, stabilizers
Steering Electromechanical power-assisted steering with variable steering ratio optional: speed-sensitive power-assisted steering (Power steering Plus)
Brakes 6-piston al. monobloc callipers FA, 4-piston al. monobloc callipers RA, internally perforated and ventilated composite brake discs (Ø 380 mm), Porsche Stability Management (PSM) optional: PCCB
ABS Standard (ABS 8,0)
Size with tyres (front) 8,5J x 20 ET51 245/35 ZR 20
Size with tyres (rear) 11J x 20 ET56 305/30 ZR 20
Body
Length 4,506 mm
Width 1,880 mm
Height 1,296 mm
Drag coefficient (Cd) 0.31
Wheelbase 2,450 mm
Unladen weight (DIN) 1,595 kg
Unladen weight (EG) 1,670 kg
Permissible gross weight 1,990 kg
Capacities
Luggage compartment volume 115 l
Fuel tank 68 l
Performance
Top speed 315 km/h (195 mph)
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph) 3.4 s (3.2 s Sport+)
Acceleration from 0 - 160 km/h (0 - 100 mph) 7.4 s (7.1 s Sport+)
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th gear x
In-gear acceleration (80-120km/h) (50-75 mph) 2.0 s (1.9 s Sport+)
Service and Warranty
Main service interval 30.000 km / 2 years
Warranty period 2 years without mileage limit
Rust warranty 12 years
Paint warranty period 3 years
Just edited the original post to add today latest video from Porsche.
Loving the active splitter, this would solve a lot of problems but equally be costly if you rip one of these off. _________________ http://euroroadtripper.blogspot.co.uk/
Martian Magny-Cours
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 2692 Location: Bury St. Edmunds
I had the same letter just arrive in the post and it also states 'manual version also available'!
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30191 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject:
You have two options:
1) Take on-board, there is NO manual
2) sue Porsche up the wazoo until they fit one, and then pray the development costs make them conclude that the GT3 could do with one too, if only to distribute the fixed overhead cost variance (that should press a few Stuttgart accountant's hot buttons enough to stop messing with a winning formula)
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30191 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:55 pm Post subject:
Tony 991S wrote:
You purchase it and hope it's as good as you believe
Certainly saves the PPI costs of getting involved
pdj81 Newbie
Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Posts: 11 Location: Herts
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:45 am Post subject:
Id wager strong money that the quoted performance stats are v. conservative for both turbo and S - this car when tested by the press will post sub 3 secs. Porsche have a tradition of down playing their flagship weapon speed and I wouldn't be surprised if the S is down to 2.6 sec 0-62. they always surpass the last model in the real world
Id wager strong money that the quoted performance stats are v. conservative for both turbo and S - this car when tested by the press will post sub 3 secs. Porsche have a tradition of down playing their flagship weapon speed and I wouldn't be surprised if the S is down to 2.6 sec 0-62. they always surpass the last model in the real world
thoughts ?
Yes could well be, the previous model managed 2.7 to 60...
Some mightily impressive figures there - if the 991 can beat that then I doff my cap
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, but the raw performance figures left me cold. Having already sampled the sound symposer in a 991 test drive last year those tailpipes look aurally promising, and despite an otherwise fairly weak rear, the overall styling looks good. I really don't like the wheels though... 
) my money may well be heading towards a GT3 instead...
