Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:46 pm Post subject: 964 Project - Plan B
Hi,
First I had better explain what Plan A was going to be, I had always intended to get back into the air-cooled 911 scene after having bought my first in the 1980's.
So nearly 4 years ago I intended to find a really nice 964 C2 Coupe manual to back date probably by PS Autoart. After a couple of months looking I found just what I wanted a beautiful 70k mile example, even better, it was black!
This was on the test drive:
A new home:
The car was so nice I decided to just enjoy it while I considered my options. The first thing I did was put my son's initials on it, I had already decided it was going to be a keeper.
There were several little jobs which needed immediate attention. A small rust patch bubbling under the paintwork below windscreen pillar and the o/s rear window frame also had some corrosion under the anodising. While the front screen was out for first paint repair I renewed the rubber seal and did the same for the o/s rear window when a new frame was fitted.
Next came an oil leak from the thermostat housing with new clips and hoses fitted.
The I set to work cleaning the engine bay up with new Beru leads, dizzy caps, belt tension sensor. I tried cleaning the fan up with ok results but in the end decided to powder coat it, while it was off I also fitted a new fan bearing.
Engine bay before:
After:
The A/C was working but it was feeble, so the gas was changed to the more environmentally friendly variety and both rear brake/indicator clusters and rear reflector were changed for new items.
About 100 hours spent cleaning and Swisswaxing the paintwork to bring a deep glossy shine:
The observant among you will have also noticed the indicator lenses were changed to clear ones. A Porsche Classic Sat/Nav/Phone/MP3 was next.
Some time out:
Last year the ride height was adjusted and I finally got rid of the awful D90's, I hated them when they were new in the 80's after the beautiful Fuchs on my previous 911 and IMHO time hasn't been kind to them. I replaced them with 18" Veloce Speedlines shod with N rated Conti's.
Right, I know what you're thinking, so what's plan B?? Well the thing is I had really fallen in love with the 964 and when the little niggles are sorted it can really put a smile on your face, not to mention 964's were becoming very hard to find and creeping steadily up in value. They are also becoming the weapon of choice for a lot of enthusiasts and now collectors as it's the last of the classic shape but has all the goodies and nice manners. It's hardly surprising that people like Nick Fulljames rate the M64 engine very highly indeed, more so even than the excellent 993 engine. There's just so much we can do with it, so......
Plan B: I decided no back date, just subtle changes to make the car as good as it can be (for me). I spent a lot of time researching engine builds with Motec M84 and EFI PMO's and finally booked a spring '13 build slot with the much respected Nick Fulljames of Redtek who still hand-builds each engine himself.
And after much consultation with Nick full top & bottom blueprinted and balanced build would be as follow giving 350Hp approx:
PMO Throttle bodies.
ITG Air Filters
Injectors
Fit ecu,throttle bodies, wiring loom and map engine.
Motec M84
Engine harness.
Fast lambda.
Throttle switch.
Air temp sensor.
Engine temp sensor.
Throttle position kit.
RS lightweight flywheel & GT3 clutch.
Blue print top end build; including RSR cams, heavy duty valve springs.Titanium retainers.
New TRW valves, guides, chains and guides.
Clean out oil ways in cam spay tubes.
Shot peen rockers.
Reface cylinder heads.
Heavy ARP duty head studs.
Blend ports and throats.
Rocker shaft seal kit.
New oil drain tubes
3.8 Malhe Barrels and pistons
Blueprinted bottom end build including; balance crank assemblies, polish crank.
Boat tail case.
All new Glyco bearings.
Cosmetics, renew as required and powder coat all engine tins and rocker covers black.
Powder coat (newly fitted) rear bumper stays and middle section metal strip.
Refinish fan assembly.
Re-plate all steel bright ware
Oils, filters.
Steel connecting rods (hp gain).
Exhaust system, fabricated to fit 964 twin outlet.
Now the last item is something I didn't see coming as I had already fitted a Dansk twin-outlet system, complete with new n/s under bumper quarter last year
While I waited for the build slot I got busy with the suspension and brakes to cope with the extra power. Luckily I managed to buy a second hand set of Big Red's from a 13k mile 965 Turbo which I had restored and repainted with correct 2 pack and matched the fronts up with heavy duty Pagid yellows ad 32mm Turbo disks. First though, fitting brackets for the front were required. Now here's the problem to make the pads fit it was recommended to skim the front pads by 3-5mm. As you know these "Yellows" are bloody expensive items and to waste some shelf-life every time new ones are required would an expensive pain. So the answer was to re-machine the adapter brackets by 3mm.
The rear turbo callipers were matched with 968CS MO30 rear disks (same as 964RS).
Finished items front & rear:
Since I had saved a bit of money over having to buy new brake callipers I decided to up the ante on the new suspension and go all out for fully adjustable Bilstein B16's. Bilsteins had been my choice as I had always believed them to be more synonymous with Porsche 911's, although I know other makes are also very good.
The Bilsteins are on setting 5 and the car is a revelation to drive giving a fantastic amount of feedback.
My slot with Nick was a little delayed due to other builds so I a couple of other little items were planned, cup mirrors to replace the flags which I managed to get from Jasmine Porsche-link. Flags look great on SC's and 3.2's but IMO the shape of the 964 lends itself better to the cup mirrors, so these were painted and fitted with new gaskets.
And to finish the interior in which I had earlier restored all the leather, a new Momo Prototipo which feels great.
I'm pleased to say the engine build is well under way, the gas flow of the case is done and other machining processes are well under way.
Tinware completely shot, but Nick says the engine itself is in really good condition, I know what you're thinking, why the build then?? Well I've been a Porsche lover since I was in short pants but I'm now in my 50's and I thought I may as well enjoy it now as wait a few more years and maybe run out of time
Photo taken halfway through machining:
The new steel rods (a performance upgrade), I guess the marks might indicate the individual weights of 576gms since it's a blue-printed and balanced build:
This last week saw the crankshaft (which was also in excellent condition) balanced but the new Mahle pistons and barrels haven't yet arrived. Neither has the induction system but we will know more tomorrow.
However the new RS flywheel has and the bottom end should be completed this week.
At the moment if all goes well Nick reckons about 2 weeks to completion, I'll keep you posted
Cheers,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
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Zingari Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 12222 Location: Cheshire
Great write up Paul I bought a twin-set of race stopwatches but the quality was best described as poor so they are on their way back. Perhaps I should just buy the Heuer and have done with it - but ouch what a price Where was your stopwatch sourced? _________________ Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:18 pm Post subject:
Hi Brian,
Cheers, I had been promising to post a thread but time flies.....talking of which....I sourced the Heuer from Ebay, just keep and eye out for one. The Hanhart holder came from Holden Vintage and was almost as expensive as the watch.
There's a nice pair on at the mo post it in your browser:
Not cheap but they come complete with mounting bracket which makes them pretty good value.
Cheers,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
PeterS Fuji
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 9170 Location: Solihull
Keep it coming please! _________________ 964 C2 1990
993 Turbo 1996 (X50)
Previous;
993 Carrera 1995
986 Boxster 2001
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject:
Hi,
Thanks guys, much appreciated
As soon as I have some photos I'll give you an update.
Cheers,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
Mr Bacchus Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 26 Oct 2012 Posts: 262 Location: Birtley, County Durham
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject:
Awesome car and a great read _________________ In vino veritas
MY89 964 C4 Guards Red, MY16 Evoque Coupe
igaffz Albert Park
Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 1688 Location: Newcastle upon tyne
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:39 pm Post subject:
Lovely looking car bud, it must look awesome polished up in black!
Ian _________________ Horizon blue, 964 carrera 2 tip, lowered on koni's, k&n, de-cat, cup pipe, leather trim and 18" 3 piece split rims.
Silver 928 S2, B reg, manual.
Guards red 944 lux, the new project!
orangecurry Donuts For Windows
Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 9628 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject:
Yum; great writeup and lots of lovely photos - please keep us updated.
Ghengis Österreich
Joined: 09 Jun 2010 Posts: 909 Location: Mighty Kingdom of Northumbria
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject:
Nice!
Looking forward to seeing you out and about during the summer. _________________ 1990 911 C4 in Guards Red with black leather. Tweeked and fettled ready for the summer.
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject:
Thanks Mr Bacchus, igaffz & orangecurry,
There's nothing like a black car when it's polished up, but nothing worse when its isn't
Every time I walk around it I'm looking for new scratches, it could drive a man insane
This was one I had on long term loan last year while I waited for my delayed new car, shame. Back in black and I couldn't resist Swiss-waxing it for them. OPC say I give their cars back better than when I receive them so I get to play with all the toys in the box.
I'm counting down the days to collecting her again though. I hope to meet some of you at Fastlane, Corbridge if she's ready Ghengis.
In the meantime to take my mind off it I've had a little fun in this for a couple of days last week, again loaned from Porsche. I love the GTS (particularly the Coupe) probably my favourite of the 997 range, very usable but ferocious when provoked.
I know it's off topic but never-mind, what's wrong with a little eye candy
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject:
Hi Guys,
I'm afraid there's not much to report this week are we're still waiting for the induction system from Clewett Engineering in the States.
I love the styling details and little finishing touches of hot rods like the Singers, so I've had this made and I think they have done a brilliant job.
As you can see it's not a stick-on cover it's a complete new replacement face, I can't wait to fit it
Apologies for lack of content
Cheers for now,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
g60pops Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 256
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:13 am Post subject:
new clock face looks stunning
PeterS Fuji
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 9170 Location: Solihull
+1 for the clock face, although I wish I hadn't seen it,
Is that the standard images on all of them?
It has things like targa roof opening, which yours isn't. _________________
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:43 am Post subject:
Hi,
Quote:
new clock face looks stunning
Thanks G60pops
Quote:
+1 for the clock face, although I wish I hadn't seen it,
Is that the standard images on all of them?
It has things like targa roof opening, which yours isn't.
Cheers Peter!
According to www.porschedials.com there are 2 types of clock face for the 964 so I had Nick at Redtek check which of the two mine was before I had it made up.
Porsche must have cut a few corners with parts back in the 90's. It might explain why you can't see the images under normal circumstances.
Paul
_________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
fuch Montreal
Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Posts: 522 Location: Buck's
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:16 am Post subject:
paul284pt wrote:
Hi Guys,
I'm afraid there's not much to report this week are we're still waiting for the induction system from Clewett Engineering in the States.
I love the styling details and little finishing touches of hot rods like the Singers, so I've had this made and I think they have done a brilliant job.
As you can see it's not a stick-on cover it's a complete new replacement face, I can't wait to fit it
I'm afraid there's not much to report this week are we're still waiting for the induction system from Clewett Engineering in the States.
I love the styling details and little finishing touches of hot rods like the Singers, so I've had this made and I think they have done a brilliant job.
As you can see it's not a stick-on cover it's a complete new replacement face, I can't wait to fit it
Apologies for lack of content
Cheers for now,
Paul
Thats is very cool _________________ We come unseen
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:13 pm Post subject:
Hi,
I'm glad you like it Fuch & 917k, I couldn't resist
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
I miss my 964 _________________ 2000 996 Turbo
Speed Yellow / Black
Ex - 2003 996 Carrera 4S
Ex - 1992 964 Turbo X33 (#777)
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1581 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject:
Quote:
I miss my 964
Me too
Now I know how Frank felt! Missed Fastlane, sorry Chris.
Again not much to report engine-wise this week but there's a couple of little trinkets to add:
To match the carbon heater duct which Nick is fitting to the new engine I thought a single piece of carbon would look lonely (IMHO too much can look like a dog's dinner) so to balance the books a plug lead/shroud cover.
Also to match the Momo Prototipo and black racing pedals the plan is to add a few other little touches so the exterior door handles are going to be drilled like this and re-anodised black.
The interior door handles will be replaced with these
There is a little good news, Joe Burns the young rider we help sponsor in the BSB Superstock 1000 rode to his first podium finish this season at Oulton Park last weekend with a brilliant ride to 3rd place. He's also currently 3rd in the Championship after scooping regular points, so well done to him:
Hopefully more to report next week.
Cheers,
Paul _________________ 1980-4 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984-9 911 SC (1982)
1989-93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010- 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012-14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015-17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017- Macan Turbo Performance Package
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I bought a twin-set of race stopwatches but the quality was best described as poor so they are on their way back. Perhaps I should just buy the Heuer and have done with it - but ouch what a price 
