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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: 2014 Facelift Panamera & 91mpg E-Hybrid leaked Reply with quote

The 2014 Porsche Panamera has been leaked to the web thanks to an embargo break by Autocar.

As we've seen throughout the prototype models over the past year or so, the cosmetic tweaks for the first facelift of the Panamera are concentrated on the two ends, with the front gaining newly shaped headlights and bumper, and the rear end, LED tail light clusters, a new bumper, modified tailgate and a relocated license plate holder.

The big news is the addition of a Panamera S E-Hybrid that features a 3.0-litre V6 engine, an electric motor and a lithium-ion battery pack. This setup will reportedly enable the model to have a combined output of 410 bhp (306 kW) which should allow the hatchback to accelerate from 0-60 mph in 5.5 seconds and hit a top speed of 167 mph (269 km/h).

More importantly, by utilizing plug-in hybrid technology, the model is expected to return up to 91 mpg UK (3.1 L/100km) with CO2 emissions of less than 100g/km. In order to achieve this, the electric motor will power the car for 11-22 miles (18-35 km) at speeds up to 83 mph (133 km/h).

The Panamera S is also slated to adopt a new twin-turbo 3.0-litre V6 engine that develops 413 bhp (308 kW) and 385 lb-ft (521 Nm) of torque - an increase of 19 bhp (14 kW) and 14 lb-ft (19 Nm). The change is expected to boost fuel economy by up to 18 percent.


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New Panamera plug-in hybrid saloon is claimed to mix low CO2 and fuel consumption with high performance, also receives minor facelift.

Porsche’s high-performance 410bhp Panamera S E-Hybrid plug-in is set to become an unlikely poster child for green motoring, with a headline-grabbing 91mpg and sub-100g/km CO2 output.

Powered by a new 3.0-litre V6 and an electric motor, the Panamera E-Hybrid has the addition of plug-in charging of its lithium-ion battery pack that is tipped to drop the CO2 output significantly below the current hybrid’s figure, which is 159g/km.

The fuel economy of the new E-Hybrid is said to be 56 per cent better than the old car. Although Porsche is not yet making public its CO2 figure, the Paris show Sport Turismo concept previewed the new powertrain and claimed 80mpg and 82g/km of CO2.Despite these impressive green numbers,

Porsche says the Panamera S E-Hybrid is still capable of 167mph flat out and 0-60mph in 5.5sec, which is half a second quicker than the old hybrid.The E-Hybrid’s 3.0-litre V6 is said to be “entirely new”, although further detail on what that means precisely was unavailable.Pairing a 94bhp electric motor with the 316bhp V6, the new hybrid features a 9.4kWh battery pack — with five times more capacity than the outgoing hybrid’s.

On electric power alone, the E-Hybrid is said to be capable of 83mph and have a realistic range of 11 to 22 miles, although the latter is only likely in highly favourable conditions. Its green powertrain is one of several significant advances that will be announced alongside the facelifted Panamera at the Shanghai motor show later in April.A new twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 petrol engine replaces the naturally aspirated 4.8-litre V8 in the Panamera S and 4S. Power is up by 19bhp to 413bhp and torque by 14lb ft to 385lb ft, while fuel economy is said to be improved by a significant 18 per cent.

As uncovered by Autocar last week, much of the focus of the revised Panamera is aimed at smoothing the styling of the rear end. Changes include a wider rear window and pop-up spoiler. Another noticeable tweak is the relocation of the number plate from the rear bodywork to the new bumper, which tidies up the look of the back end.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....the projected mpg for the hybrid is mighty impressive
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a LWB version in pics 3 & 4?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of a half-arsed facelift is that?? Looks exactly the same as the old one!

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In the second generation of the Gran Turismo, Porsche is introducing the world’s first plug-in hybrid to the luxury class.

Along with the Panamera S E-Hybrid with 416 hp of system power, two luxurious Executive versions are also making their debut with an extended wheelbase and an entirely new three-litre V6 engine with biturbo charging for the Panamera S and Panamera 4S. An already unrivalled broad base of models has now been extended and consists of ten models offering an even further broader range between sportiness and comfort.

New and further developed technologies have enabled fuel savings of up to 56 per cent, while further enhancing operating and driving comfort. The new Panamera underscores its exceptional positioning with an even more expressive design language in the style of the new sports car generations that are marked by tighter lines, more pronounced contours and newly shaped body elements. In short: The Porsche Panamera is even more efficient, sporty, comfortable and elegant. The new generation Gran Turismo celebrates its world premiere at Auto China in Shanghai, which opens its gates on the 21st of April 2013.

Panamera S E-Hybrid sets new standards in efficiency, performance and operating convenience

The Panamera S E-Hybrid is a systematically advanced development of the parallel full hybrids with a more powerful electric motor, a higher-performance battery that supplies more energy and the ability to charge it externally from the electrical grid. The electric drive produces 95 hp (70 kW), which is more than double the power of the previous model’s electric motor at 47 hp (34 kW).

It draws its energy from a newly developed lithium-ion battery, which at 9.4 kWh has over five times the 1.7 kWh energy capacity of the previous battery in nickel metal hydride technology. When connected to an industrial outlet, it can be charged within around two and a half hours via the integrated on-board charger and the standard Porsche Universal Charger (AC), and it can be charged in less than four hours when connected to a conventional household electrical outlet in Germany.

The Panamera S E-Hybrid far exceeds the driving performance of the previous model. In addition, the previous model’s NEDC fuel consumption of 7.1 l/100 km was reduced by 56 per cent to 3.1 l/100 km. That equates to CO2 emissions of 71 g/km. At the same time, its all-electric driving performance was substantially improved with regard to electric acceleration, the electric range and electric top speed.

An intensive pure electric driving experience is possible without any fuel consumption or local emissions, which is especially advantageous in the urban environment. The electric driving range of the Panamera S E-Hybrid was determined to be 36 kilometres in NEDC-based testing. Driving range may vary in real operation, since air conditioning and heating are deactivated in NEDC test conditions, for example. A realistic all-electric driving range in everyday operation would lie somewhere between 18 and 36 km – and under particularly favourable conditions it could even exceed this range. The Panamera with the new hybrid drive can reach speeds of up to 135 km/h in all-electric operation.

The acceleration time from a standstill to 100 km/h was shortened by half a second to 5.5 seconds. The electric boost function helps here, in which the performance of the electric motor boosts that of the combustion engine. Boosting can also be activated by kick-down – such as in overtaking situations. The car’s top speed is 270 km/h. The parallel full hybrid concept developed by Porsche also offers “coasting” at higher speeds, which refers to free coasting with the internal combustion engine shut off and energy recovery by generating electricity.

The forward-looking concept of the Panamera S E-Hybrid also embodies an entirely new range of convenience functions, which can also be activated and called up by a smart phone app. There is the charge status indicator, for example. In addition, the auxiliary climate control option of the plug-in hybrid enables car preheating or cooling via Porsche Car Connect; it can be programmed in the vehicle or even more conveniently via the smart phone app. A smart phone may also be used for battery management or for remote access to vehicle information such as the remaining driving range or for guiding users back to their parked vehicles. All functions that are not specific to the hybrid drive are also available as options for the other Panamera models via the Car Connect smart phone app from Porsche.

Long wheelbase, spacious rear seating area: Executive models with the comfort of the exclusive class

The spatial concept of the Panamera with two full-fledged bucket seats in the rear seating area proved to be so successful that Porsche is further extending it in the new generation Gran Turismo. The new Panamera Turbo Executive and Panamera 4S Executive models – with their 15 cm longer wheelbase – offer more rear seating space and even better ride comfort. They have a very extensive range of features, and above all they offer exceptional comfort at both rear seat locations as standard. All Executive models have the innovative Panamera air suspension, which combines excellent ride comfort and typical Porsche driving properties.

More performance and efficiency by downsizing: new V6 biturbo engine

Boosting of performance and efficiency is a core competency at Porsche. In developing the new Panamera, this led to an entirely new engine based on the downsizing concept: a V6 engine with three litres displacement and biturbo charging. The V6 biturbo replaces the previous 4.8-litre V8 engine in the Panamera S and Panamera 4S, and it is also used in the new Executive version of the Panamera 4S. Its basic parameters themselves are indicators of progress: 20 hp more power and 20 Newton metres more torque, but up to 18 per cent better fuel economy compared to the V8 engine in the previous model. This not only gives the driver a more powerful and efficient engine; turbocharging results in a maximum torque of 520 Newton metres being available over a very broad range of engine speeds for a superior and uniform power curve, even at low revs.

Most Panamera models are equipped with the seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung PDK. The comfortable eight-speed automatic Tiptronic S operates in the Panamera Diesel and Panamera S E-Hybrid. This transmission creates optimal conditions for further development of other efficiency functions. For example, the extended start-stop function now deactivates the engine earlier while coasting to a stop, which saves more fuel. With the exception of the Panamera GTS, models with PDK also offer a coasting function in which the clutches open in overrun, the engine idles, and the vehicle coasts freely. This function can significantly improve fuel economy, especially when travelling on the motorway.

Further developed design with a new option: LED headlights

The further advanced exterior design of the Panamera can be made out at first glance. The tighter and more prominent linework at the front end is especially apparent in the larger air intakes and the distinctive transition to the headlights. In side profile, the new, more swept-back rear window creates an even more extended silhouette. When viewed from the back, the new generation Panamera is primarily made out by its new boot lid. The widened rear window emphasises the horizontal orientation of the Gran Turismo and therefore its sporty character. The rear section itself was also redesigned, including the wider spoiler, and it shows a tighter transition to the rear lights, similar to the visual transition of the headlights at the front of the car.

As in previous models, the new Panamera models also offer many differentiating exterior characteristics. Further customisation is achieved by the numerous options that are offered, including the new LED headlights, which give the Gran Turismo a very special appearance.

The Panamera models are further upgraded by new standard features such as bi-xenon headlights, multifunction steering wheel and an automatic boot lid. In addition, an extended line-up of assistance systems is available for safety and convenience. The optimised adaptive cruise control system, for example, now actively intervenes in the braking process in hazardous situations. Camera-based traffic sign detection and lane departure warning offer greater convenience in cross-country and motorway travel.

The new generation of Panamera models will be launched on the market in July 2013. Prices start at 81,849 euros for the Panamera Diesel and 83,277 Euro for the Panamera. The Panamera 4 is priced at 88,513 euros, the Panamera S at 101,841 euros and the Panamera 4S at 107,196 euros. The Panamera S E-Hybrid costs 110,409 euros, which is followed by the Panamera GTS at 121,595 euros and the Panamera 4S Executive at 132,662 euros. The top models are the Panamera Turbo for 145,990 euros and the Panamera Turbo Executive for 163,364 euros. The cited prices are valid for Germany, including VAT and market-specific features.

At the beginning of next year, a new diesel engine with 300 hp (220 kW) will replace the current diesel, offering even more driving fun with typical diesel efficiency. Also arriving on the market in 2014 are the new Porsche Panamera Turbo S and Panamera Turbo S Executive. They represent the exclusive and sporty pinnacle of the model range.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horrid.

And given the current one is horrid, I can't work out if this, on balance, is any more* or any less horrid Dont know











*Obviously the LWB version is literally more car though, so ...
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its one of those cars that looks better in the flesh than in photos - imho.

Personally, I'd love to have one in the drive. By all accounts they are great drivers cars and pretty good for family transport too. I'd need the used ones to be a whole lot cheaper before they are within my price range, mind.

Anyhow, the new one is more accurately an 'arse-lift', methinks...
 
  
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Full picture set, including 14 new ones released today

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxie wrote:
Is that a LWB version in pics 3 & 4?


Yes.
Here's a photo showing the 15 cm / 6" difference:

For the tech specs comparison between 970.1 and 970.2
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walking round a 911, from early to recent, I see the beauty of it, although noticing occasional ugliness.

Now take that sentence and substitute Panamera or Cayenne for 911 and reverse beauty and ugliness.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



almost as bad as the defecating-dog Crossfire:

 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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almost as bad as the defecating-dog Crossfire:



WOW, good spot.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James Herne wrote:
Maxie wrote:
Is that a LWB version in pics 3 & 4?


Yes.
Here's a photo showing the 15 cm / 6" difference:

For the tech specs comparison between 970.1 and 970.2


Was a rear-seat passenger in the 'SWB' today. Three immediate problems:
1 There ain't enough leg room.
2 The seat's a bit small (and hard).
3 You can't see forward because of the front passenger's/driver's head restraints.
So, there's a need for an LWB.
 
  
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I just don't 'get' this car at all. If the back seats are that bad what is the point?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tinker wrote:

Was a rear-seat passenger in the 'SWB' today. Three immediate problems:
1 There ain't enough leg room.
2 The seat's a bit small (and hard).
3 You can't see forward because of the front passenger's/driver's head restraints.
So, there's a need for an LWB.


4 Strangely, perhaps - SWB or LWB - this large car is only a 4-seater. There's no provision at all for a fifth person.
 
  
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