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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ps I bought it a present yesturday, to be revealed later this week hopefully Bandit
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jonttt wrote:
ps I bought it a present yesturday, to be revealed later this week hopefully Bandit


Road Tax for April Dont know


Some nice clean plain number plates too rather than those horrible things fited! Wink

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Is that the Bull at Mottram St Andrew by any chance?

If so, I spent many an hour of my mis-spent youth there in the early 70s whilst it was still just a pub (before its conversion to a restaurant) and there was a disco in the upstairs bar. Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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spongebob squarepants wrote:
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ps I bought it a present yesturday, to be revealed later this week hopefully Bandit


Road Tax for April Dont know


Some nice clean plain number plates too rather than those horrible things fited! Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that the Bull at Mottram St Andrew by any chance?

If so, I spent many an hour of my mis-spent youth there in the early 70s whilst it was still just a pub (before its conversion to a restaurant) and there was a disco in the upstairs bar. Thumb


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Raid Steering Wheel Install Reply with quote

So I mentioned that I have bought the 993 a present Smile .....

Well this is something I have kept my eyes open for on and off over the past 6 years........ a tequipment carbon 993 steering wheel in black with airbag to complete the tequipment interior of the car.....



It arrived today and I have to say it is absolutely mint, the carbon is perfect on it and the leather reflects relatively light use.

To find one with airbag in this condition is like rocking horse $h1t so I'm well chuffed.

The Raid wheel I fitted has been awesome and I'm going to miss it but I just could not turn this down.

I'll look to get it fitted over the next week or so but I just have to find the original wheel which I where I presume i kept the original airbag connector I know need Rolling Eyes

I'll not bother posting up any pics of the install given my original posts on changing a 993 wheel (repeated below for reference) but will post some of it fitted......

ps If anyone wants a nearly new Raid steering wheel with 993 specific hub already fitted let me know Wink

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So I got the chance to fit the Raid steering wheel at last.

Earlier in my journal I posted a picture of a 340mm wheel I had ordered online from one of the popular Porsche suppliers. However after a few weeks they admitted that they had none in stock (to be fair I think most source to order) and could not get hold of the one I had ordered.

In the meantime I had had second thoughts about a 340mm wheel so this worked OK for me to cancel the order.

I have a 340mm wheel in my Z3m which I love. However, although it does not sound it going from 380mm stock wheel to 340mm is quite a change. One factor to consider would be it does make the steering heavier which worked fine in the Z3m. The reason I had second thoughts was the fact that the 993 already has relatively heavy steering. I was concerned that going to 340mm may make it too heavy.

Ultimately I decided to order a 365mm wheel which is close to the popular porsche options. I also decided to go for full leather and I knew that if I did not like it I always had the option of swapping it with the 340mm wheel in the Z3m.

The cheapest supplier I could find who I was also confident could actually supply one was Gert at Carnewal. So whilst ordering my RSR exhaust I ordered these (and some moer goodies to be revealed another day) and everything was received yesturday for the planned RSR install tomorrow.

Firstly its worth stating that I'm pretty experienced at swapping steering wheels and did a lot of research into the subject on previous projects. However whilst researching anything I should know the is paculiar to the 993 it became apparent that although there is plenty of info on the internet there were no really clear instructions for a novice so I thought I may as well fully document the process.

Secondly its worth noting that this really is an easy task on the 993. The most complex thing is simply fiddling with the blind retaining screws that secure the airbag. As always it helps to have the appropriate tools which I will also detail.

The only major thing to consider is the types of airbag systems and airbags being used to ensure compatability. In simple terms there are two types of system. The earlier single stage system which the 993 has and the later dual airbag system which I presume later Porsches have (certainly BMW's after 1999 mostly have dual stage). You can install a single stage airbag into any system (you have to use resistors on the unused circuits to avoid Airbag faults) but you cannot install a dual stage airbag into a single stage system car. This was no issue in this case as the 993 is a single stage system and the raid wheel has a single stage airbag. The only thing 993 owners would need to be wary of is if they ever tried to fit a later dual stage airbag as it would not be compatible.

Another consideration is usually "slip rings". These are basically a ribbon which winds / unwinds as the wheels turns and acts as a bridge between the cars wiring harness and the wiring in the wheel (for horn, airbag and on later cars all sorts of other things). It means the wiring does not get itself in knots as the wheel turns more than 360 degrees.On some makes of cars these are fitted to the steering wheel itself and so have to be transferred to the new wheel complicating the process as they usually don't fit and have to be adapted. However in the case of the 993 it is fitted to the steering column and not the wheel which makes things a lot easier.

So to the install.....

You have to order a "hub adaptor" that is specific to the 993 as the raid wheels are generic and the hub adaptors are used to ensure compatibility with many models of cars.

IMPORTANT: UNPLUG THE CAR BATTERY.

There is something about messing around with an airbag which makes you do things by the book Cop Most internet write ups will tell you to unplug the battery (ie disconnect the earth cable completely) and leave the car for 20 minutes. This is because some cars have a capacitor which stores and electrical charge to set off the airbag. However I think in the 993 this does not apply and by the time you have disconnected the battery and undone the securing bolts there would be no risk. So what did I do ? I waited 20 minutes Bandit Hand

Tools needed:

- T27 Torx driver (to remove the OEM 4 spoke airbag)
- T30 Torx Driver (to remove the Raid airbag and install the raid hub adaptor)
- Stanley knife, wire crimpers and electrical tape (to fit the raid airbag connector to the car wiring)
- 24mm socket to remove the steering wheel

Here is the wheel and hub adaptor. You also get 2 wires to connect the horn, a wire to connect the airbag, 4 screws to secure the hub adaptor to the wheel and some shrink wrap (I used electrical tape as I did not have a heat source where I installed).




The first job is to remove the OEM 4 spoke steering wheel from the 993. This is achieved by undoing x2 T27 torx screws which are accessed from behind the wheel.

Here is a 27mm Torx driver




The problem is that the 2 airbag retaining screws are recessed about 20mm into a hole which is not very big. So if you nuse a torx bit from anm interchangeable set the shaft of the driver is likely to be too wide to either go in the access hole or if it does have enough play to "wiggle" the bit into place.

You need to turn the wheel 1/4 turn to get access to the retaining screws. This can be done without the power steering easily but remember to put you keys in and turn to position 1 or the steering lock will engage Wink




Here you can see I have access to the hole but I had trouble locating the screw head as it was a tight fit




I therefore resorted to these which had thin shafts and were much easier to use. Also note anthying longer makes it harder as well as you end up hitting the lower dash constantly.

PLEASE NOTE you are working backwards so clockwise is to undo them Wink






Once both screws are loosened you can pull off the centre airbag.




Before removing however get the wheel dead centre. Its easier for your eye to do this with the airbag in place. You need to ensure that the new wheel goes back on dead centre and some state you should mark it all up. In practice once you have the wheel centred there is no reason for it to move so I did not bother.




You can then remove the airbag connector. This can be stiff put you just need to pull it off.




This then reveals the interior of the wheel.




There are only 4 wires you need to consider:

x2 horn (+ve and -ve) - it does not matter which is which

x2 airbag - again it does not matter which is which.

The two horn wires are seperate and are conencted to the wheel using spade connectors.






Just pull these off to disconnect them.

You can now remove the wheel from the car by undoing the 24mm bolt and washer.

Removing the centre bolt and horn wires disconnected




Once the bolt is remove you can pull the wheel off the steering column and feed the airbag and horn wires through the access hole in the wheel.

Wheel removed leaving the slipring attached to the car. Note the slipring has two pertruding tabs at 12 and 6 o'clock. These fit into two holes on the back of the wheel (hub adaptor on the Raid)




and the retaining nut and washer removed




Now that the wheel is removed you can compare the two. Note the hub adaptor mirrors the back of the original wheels with the 2 recesses for the slipring tabs and access hole for the wiring.




New wheel on top of the old one and there does not appear much difference but 20mm and a thicker wheel make a world of difference Wink




So now the old wheel is finished with. You can refit the airbag so as not to loose the retaining screws.

So now we have to fit the hub adpator to the raid wheel. Its easier to do this when you compare it to the original wheel as this makes it obvious which way it fits.

Hub in place to mirror original but not fixed




Recess on side of hub adaptor also line up to give access to airbag retaining screw holes




Once orientated correctly flip the wheel and hub over to line up the 4 hub retaining holes correctly




and then fit the x4 hub retaining screws (note the blue locking compound they come fitted with as you do not want these working loose with vibration.)






The two black horn wires which are supplied are simply connected into the connecting block located in the wheel.

(nb I did this before fitting the hub adaptor)




So the final thing to sort before putting it all together is the airbag connection.

The connector from the car will not fit the raid wheel. The raid wheel comes supplied with a connector but this must be wired into the car buy removing the old one. This can be done various ways with spade connectors being the most flexible as they allow easy reconnection of the original connector should you ever want to put the original wheel back in quickly. However for ease I went with the supplied connectors but it would still be a 5 minute job to refit the old connector and wheel.

The new airbag and connector cable




The original airbag connector on the right which has to be removed and new connector on the left which has to be wired in to the car.




You have to cut back the original wiring sheath




and then cut off the old connector. Leave enough cable to work (about 70mm) and also enough to the old connector to be able to reconnect it if ever needed.




Then remove the end of the rubber isolator to expose enough wire to fit into the new connector




Simply insert the exposed wires into each connector and crimp tight. This is easier with a crimper tool than pliers as some force is needed. Also don't worry about which colour connects to which colour as it does not matter Wink




When both are securely connected then tape together (or you can shrink wrap if you have a heat source eg hairdryer but remember to slide into place before connecting the wires)






Now we can finally fit the wheel.

Slide the two horn wires and airbag connector through the large access hole in the back of the hub adaptor connected to the wheel and pull through from the front. Note that one of the horn wires is a lot shorter than the other and you have to slide the wheel into place on the central spline to pull it through properly






Connect the short horn wire from the car to the spade connector fixed to the wheel.




Connect one of the horn wires from the wheel to the adjacent spade connector (it does not matter which of the 2 horn wires from the wheel).




Now connect the second horn wire from the car to the other horn wire from the wheel






Put the 24mm central retaining bolt and washer back in place and tighten up. You can then tuck the horn wires away.




Connect the airbag wire up to the airbag




Finally put the airbag back onto the wheel and secure using the x2 T30 Torx Bolts at the back (this can be fiddly so be patient and make sure the screws are engaged and secured tightly).

Now for the moment of truth.

- Remove you keys from the ignition.
- Connect up the battery.
- Turn on the car ignition (I do this standing outside the car with my eyes closed Grin )
- check that the airbag light comes on the dash
- start the engine and check that the airbag light goes out
- press both horn buttons to make sure they work
- take for a test drive to make sure fitted dead centre. If not you will need to remove the wheel and refit.

Job done Thumb

The finished article....




I'll expect some comments about the Porsche badge. I had the same when I fitted one to my BMW but its staying because I like it and thats all that matters Razz

How does it feel / drive = fantastic but I knew it would as I've been there and done it before Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tequipment Carbon Leather steering wheel now fitted Smile .....








Matches the other carbon parts including seatbacks perfectly....




With the sun out and a requirment to check the wheel was fitted dead centre it was a great excuse to go out for a run. Its probably the first fast road run I've done in the car for a few years. The car performed impeccably and the steering wheel fits in perfectly Bandit
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good....I am debating whether to trade in my C4 cab for a 997.2 GT3 or a 993 C4s (now seems like a good time to buy)..whenever I see your car I think C4s is the way to go!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nij4 wrote:
Looks good....I am debating whether to trade in my C4 cab for a 997.2 GT3 or a 993 C4s (now seems like a good time to buy)..whenever I see your car I think C4s is the way to go!


Lol GT3 every time Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks good....I am debating whether to trade in my C4 cab for a 997.2 GT3 or a 993 C4s (now seems like a good time to buy)..whenever I see your car I think C4s is the way to go!


Personally I would not buy a GT3 for road use, the 993 is more fun for that Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nij4 wrote:
Looks good....I am debating whether to trade in my C4 cab for a 997.2 GT3 or a 993 C4s (now seems like a good time to buy)..whenever I see your car I think C4s is the way to go!


Personally I would not buy a GT3 for road use, the 993 is more fun for that Thumb


You’ve used your 993 on the road Surprised Grin
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yes I’ve loved driving it a bit over the past week......... dilemma is do I put the GTS back on the road or continue driving the 993 through April ....... I’m thinking leave the GTS to May and drive the 993 more Thumb
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The 993 went in for its MOT today.........once again passed with flying colours and no advisory.

The mechanic apologised for taking a little longer as he just loved the sound of it Grin



Its off to see the "new" Unit 11 in Warrington tomorrow for its annual 250 mile service Grin
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jonttt wrote:
yes I’ve loved driving it a bit over the past week......... dilemma is do I put the GTS back on the road or continue driving the 993 through April ....... I’m thinking leave the GTS to May and drive the 993 more Thumb


I’d put the GTS back on the road while you sort out that blue interior Grin Surprised
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Hand Au Contraire, it is a classic Porsche colour from the period and was very popular with the silver cars. Granted it can be a little overpowering if not toned down subtly with a complimentary two tone effect Smile

The smell of the full leather of the C4S is unique still today. No doubt my daily has more cows in it but the quality just is not as it was worship

Spending some time with the 993 the past few weeks and looking at it today being driven around by someone else has made me fall in love with it all over again, simply a beautiful car Judge
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When you going to tackle more that Moody Blue interior swap for black Dont know Do it in a one-er Thumb


As a wise man once said (not too long ago Grin ).....

"Au Contraire, it is a classic Porsche colour from the period and was very popular with the silver cars. Granted it can be a little overpowering if not toned down subtly with a complimentary two tone effect Smile "

The interior is finished, perfect in my eye Bandit
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The interior is finished, perfect in my eye Bandit


Ah yes, see what you mean now


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Zingari wrote:
When you going to tackle more that Moody Blue interior swap for black Dont know Do it in a one-er Thumb


As a wise man once said (not too long ago Grin ).....

"Au Contraire, it is a classic Porsche colour from the period and was very popular with the silver cars. Granted it can be a little overpowering if not toned down subtly with a complimentary two tone effect Smile "

The interior is finished, perfect in my eye Bandit


At least continue the ‘two tone’ look with those carpets YKIMS.....
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