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jonttt
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some other mods from the weekend I did not have chance to post up yesturday........

Front Protection Bar....




Rear centre console cassette holder delete....








nb the above is a temporary delete solution as I have plans for this.....




and now to one of the most controversial modifications you can do to any 1990's motor vehicle.......... cup holder installation Surprised

Now I understand the arguments for and against and believe me I have seen other forum threads as long as your arm on the subject Dont know but for me its quite simple = I would like somewhere to safely put a drink whilst driving.

The OEM solution is a clip on unit that attaches to the door pocket. I did not like this solution at all. In my research I came across a neat, removable, easily accessible and unobtrusive solution from the USA so I ordered one to try (nb the is a LHD and RHD version)........








This is really well made and easily just screws onto the seat runner.....








I'm very pleased with this controversial modification and will see how I get on with it in practice.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good Jon Thumb That leather 'sample' looks like a Wizard's sleeve Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what you are talking about Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wizard's sleeve, now that made me giggle.... My mate at uni used to say his ex had a fanny like a wizards sleeve...

Sorry guys Floor

Always good to keep up with this thread BTW - Whats the front protection bar thingy? Cant make it out on the diagrams...

[Lig - on his own in a London hotel after a couple of ales.....]
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The carnewal front protection car fits under the front bumper to protect the underside of the car ie it hits anything first.

It requires no drilling as it bolts into existing holes including a large bolt through the central drainage hole in the boot.

Sorry no pics on my car as I forgot to take any Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I needed to get the wheels off yesturday to fit the TPMS sensors so took the opportunity to take a pic of the new Bilstein B8 Dampers, OEM M033 springs and Stainless Steel brake hoses fitted.




I know the wheel arch is not up to OCD standards but it was steam cleaned and waxoiled by Ninemeister a couple of years ago (c1,000 miles) and so cleaning would mean removing the waxoil which I don't want to do Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car's looking good there Jon. Thumb

Have you noticed any discernible difference with having the s/s hoses fitted to the brakes?

I know the standard brake set up is generally pretty good for road use but it would be one of the things I might consider doing at some point if there is a real world difference??
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed no difference on a fast road run but it was not a long one so not sure how hot the brake fluid actually got.

I replaced as the rears had split cosmetically which I believe is a common problem with water getting behind the rubber ?

The cost of the stainless steel kit (ie x4) was c £60 so probably cheaper than OEM rubber items (I never bothered to check) so I upgraded to steel ones.

I would only expect a real difference when the brake fluids get hot transferring heat to the rubber hoses which would more likely deform and not be as efficient in transferring hydraulic pressure to the brakes.

There is probably enough tolerance in the OEM hoses for this not to be a factor in road use ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jon - what you say makes sense.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is the TPMS panel will be mounted in the cassette receptacle Dont know
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the plan if I can get it to look right Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owl wrote:
Car's looking good there Jon. Thumb

Have you noticed any discernible difference with having the s/s hoses fitted to the brakes?

I know the standard brake set up is generally pretty good for road use but it would be one of the things I might consider doing at some point if there is a real world difference??


I fitted braided hoses on a Mini Cooper i once owned. There was quite a marked difference in feel between the rubber and braided, by way of a much firmer pedal - it got rid of that last few mm of travel under v.hard braking - didn't really get to use those last mm of travel 99% of the time on the road tho! Essentially, the rubber hoses ballon a little under very high pedal pressures, giving that slight squashy feel though the pedal. My 993 still has rubbers, but would upgrade given the opportunity, but mainly due to cosmetic and longevity reasons.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it its car dependent whether they make a difference for road use ie the quality specification of OEM hoses v stainless steel items.

Personally with my limited experience of the 993 I don't think there is any real performance benefit compared to OEM for road use but if they are similar price then no reason not to fit stainless items when the need arises as in my case with a couple of the OEM's rears split.

I would hope that if the OEM rubber items do suffer from water freezing / splitting them then the stainless steel ones would not suffer the same over time so are a better long term solution for that alone ?

The other hose to consider is the clutch hose. When I had the MPL slave cylinder fitted they had to fit a new OEM hose (c£50+VAt from memory). If I had thought / planned better I would have researched if there is a recognised stainless steel option. In my experience of other cars there is much more advantage in upgrading to stainless clutch hoses than brake hoses in everyday use Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
The other hose to consider is the clutch hose. When I had the MPL slave cylinder fitted they had to fit a new OEM hose (c£50+VAt from memory). If I had thought / planned better I would have researched if there is a recognised stainless steel option. In my experience of other cars there is much more advantage in upgrading to stainless clutch hoses than brake hoses in everyday use Dont know


Jon, I would think that people like HEL and Goodridge would make just about any hose to order, the only differentiator on these is the end fittings and length, none of which should be a problem.

Anyone fancy a group buy clutch hose? We just need a pattern (old part Jon??)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have the old one Embarassed

There is a company that is well regarded on the BMW scene called Earls who manufacture stainless steel clutch hoses. They are a popular mod on older high performance BMW's (eg my Z3m) as they delete clutch delay valves whilst at the same time improving haudraulic performance.

Having said that i'm not sure how much difference they would make to a 993 compared to OEM. I was just pointing out that they are more likely to make an improvement than brake hoses Dont know

I'm more than happy with my clutch now that its fitted with the MPL slave cylinder and new OEM hose. It would have been nice to see if the new hose by itself made a difference but I did not have that opportunity. In fact the more I drive my car since the MPL was fitted the more I love the change Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: New Badges Reply with quote

I've been deliberating over this one for a couple of weeks........ do I or don't I replace the front bonnet badge.

Whilst I understand the argument for not unless damage ie retain the original aged effect ultimately I decided that the gasket was looking untidy and that if I was going to replace that which I knew OCD would require then I might as well replace the badge as well.

I set myself just one criteria, I had to have an original OEM 993 badge and not a 996 badge Surprised Hand

So I duly sourced and ordered a "new old stock" 993 bonnet badge, gasket and retaining nuts.





and with suitable trim tools for removal




I ordered the retaining nuts as they are cheap and I'm not sure how reuseable the original ones will be.

One thing is obvious though.... the gasket is a tight / impossible fit. So I will either be glueing it to the back of the badge prior to fitment as it will need some retention assistance I think or I am considering not using it and simply trimming the old gasket when it is removed to give a cleaner fitment ie remove the black raised border of the gasket.

Whilst I was ordering this I decided to also change the "soft" 3d effect badge on my steering wheel with a proper metal item. I've heard all the arguments before about not fixing metal badges to airbags but the airbag would deploy on a hinge (?) and so it should not be an issue in terms of flying off and hitting me in the face in the event of activation. Thats my logic anyway unless anyone can prove otherwise.

If you do see someone with a slightly crumpled 993 and Porsche crest impression on their forehead though, that may be me Very Happy

I went for a 356 badge as being the right size....




but I needed to Dremel the rear pin off....






and affix some suitable sticky tape.....






all ready for fitment....




and finally I am not usually one for sticking extra badges everywhere but seeing as my first Porsche ownership experience just happens to be in the 911's 50th anniversary year it would be a shame not to fix a suitable commemorative badge for this year only (in a Porsche OEM commemorative way of course)......




I'll see how it looks on the car and decide whether to keep it on or not.


Now that I have some jobs to do fixing this lot on I just have to remember where I left the car Dont know Question
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Badge Reply with quote

Hi Jon,

I had the same issue with the new badge rubber, putting it is very hot water helped but I still needed a friend to sold it down whilst I bolted it on. I like the rear badge, where did you get it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been told the problem with the bonnet badge backing gaskets is they are not genuine porsche items and the genuine ones fit a lot better.

I'm probably going to get one from porsche and compare.

The anniversary badges are from the link below. They are great quality, very reasonably priced and very quick delivery.

They also do a different version sticker

http://www.isaydingdong.co.uk/ourshop/prod_2700718-Porsche-911-at-50-Laser-Cut-Self-Adhesive-Car-Badge-65.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good work on the correct 993 badge.

I replaced the one on mine too as someone fitted a 997 part when the car was repainted nooo

Look at the difference here. The 997 one is pretty poor in comparison.

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=82955
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep I have an original NOS 993 badge. The weight and quality of enamel is impressive.

I'm, going to delay fitting it though until I source a genuine gasket for it.
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