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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: 993 Oversteer's off at Brünnchen, Nurburgring Nordschleife Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ouch!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ouch!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Richyd wrote:
ouch!


x2!


x3

Looks like he was going in a straight line and lost traction on the rumble strip? I'll never, ever take my own car on there again. A private RMA day with instructors was scary enough! A TF day must be butt clenchingly nerve wracking?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I'll confess, I also had a "moment" with the back end of my car 6 months back, and I how I saved it is still a puzzle to me and just pure luck.

It's shocking how the back end can let go without warning.

At that speed he had no chance once it lost grip. Sickening to watch. Sad
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A painful and very scary moment but at least the impact didn't appear to be too severe and I'd hope the damage was repairable - not like that SUV posted a few days ago Surprised
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of damp patches on the circuit, not a surprise that happened.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, I'll confess, I also had a "moment" with the back end of my car 6 months back, and I how I saved it is still a puzzle to me and just pure luck.

It's shocking how the back end can let go without warning.


Not pure luck - an excellent rear axle/suspension design that feeds back info to the driver who then reacts and helps the car through perfectly weighted controls... so the back DIDN'T let go without any warning Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A TF day must be butt clenchingly nerve wracking?


Motorbikes. I still have nightmares about the bikers. Everything else is a breeze.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you think the bikers feel? Hit those kerbs and you're toast. Did 3 days bikes only, and 2 TF days on the bike very scary. Never been with the car I'll stick to Forza.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you think the bikers feel? Hit those kerbs and you're toast.


Exactly - the bikers are either much faster or much slower than a car, and take very different lines - I was having to look everywhere to try and keep THEM safe, as some of them had very little regard for their own safety (yes just like some car drivers) - I just feel that regardless of skill/speed, cars and bikes don't mix on a track.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" cars and bikes don't mix on a track. "

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bikers are either much faster or much slower than a car, and take very different lines -


And some are that useless they cant even keep up with push bikes! puh


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I've put these up before.

Get to the Zebra crossing and its going to tighten, this is what I've learnt doing the Ring pity these guys in front of me didn't realise. Although the one closest to me was riding well until the other two turned up. I do take my time when I come across bikers on the Nurburgring.


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And this other idiot nearly takes a car off in front of me when I'm passing the 350Z.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rialas wrote:
Ok, I'll confess, I also had a "moment" with the back end of my car 6 months back, and I how I saved it is still a puzzle to me and just pure luck.

It's shocking how the back end can let go without warning.


Not pure luck - an excellent rear axle/suspension design that feeds back info to the driver who then reacts and helps the car through perfectly weighted controls... so the back DIDN'T let go without any warning Thumb


Seriously hope yours never bites you nooo
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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orangecurry wrote:
Rialas wrote:
Ok, I'll confess, I also had a "moment" with the back end of my car 6 months back, and I how I saved it is still a puzzle to me and just pure luck.

It's shocking how the back end can let go without warning.


Not pure luck - an excellent rear axle/suspension design that feeds back info to the driver who then reacts and helps the car through perfectly weighted controls... so the back DIDN'T let go without any warning Thumb


Seriously hope yours never bites you nooo


Sorry Dom I wasn't having a subconscious 'go' at you Embarassed your off was different - it wasn't a '993 bites you'; it was a 'diesel spill arrgh' where the driver of any car becomes a passenger and has no chance.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool no worries. Just be careful with the confidence in these cars. It really doesn't take much for it to all go very wild and scary.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also blame the diesel (or the heavy engine in the back). Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
Just be careful with the confidence in these cars. It really doesn't take much for it to all go very wild and scary.


Agreed, however the 993 does inspire confidence. I've driven 20,000 in mine including some track days and never once has it done anything unexpected even in the cold, wet and snow. Even on unexpected patches of ice on a bend, I've retained control of the car.

Plenty of cars I've driven previously have had massive unexpected and uncontrollable snap oversteer moments at relatively low speed eg. Peugeot 205, Corrado, BMW E30 and 964 C2.
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