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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:02 am    Post subject: Rumour that next 991 GT3 may only have PDK Gearbox Reply with quote

The Latest News:

~ Porsche is evaluating manual and PDK transmissions for the new GT3.
~ Only one transmission will eventually be offered for sale.
~ The GT3 will debut in 2013.

STUTTGART, Germany — Porsche is evaluating a PDK gearbox for the next-generation GT3, due next year. August Achleitner, the 911 project chief, confirmed that Porsche's motorsport division is currently testing both manual and PDK versions of the new GT3. Only one transmission will ultimately be offered for sale, and Achleitner reckons the PDK is the favourite to get the nod.

Gear-shift 911s currently account for just 30 percent of sales. "When we launched the 911 Turbo S, we did not offer a manual, but we have not had a single complaint,". A PDK-equipped GT3 would be the next logical step.

Achleitner also confirmed that the next-generation GT3 and GT2 will definitely feature a variant of the electromechanical steering system introduced on the new Carrera. He defended the system, which has been criticized for offering less driver feedback than a traditional hydraulic setup. "The new system only removes the feedback you don't need," he said. "All our race drivers prefer it."

Question, A PDK-equipped GT3 will be faster, but will it be more fun?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does his mother still choose his gears for him?

Time to stock up on GT3 RS 4.0s, methinks.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Answer: No

Changing gear is part of the driving experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My initial thoughts on possible pros and cons of a PDK GT3 -

Pros
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1. Faster than equivalent manual
2. Easier to drive
3. Previous (pre-PDK) generations of GT3 may become more desirable (surely a good thing for Porsche as well as owners of these models)
4. Proves Porsche is keeping up with the times

Cons
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1. "Less fun" *
2. More expensive? (to buy and repair)
3. Relatively unproven - potential reliability issues?
4. Heavier than manual?
5. Enthusiast revolt and short-term adverse publicity **


* I don't think it will be less fun personally, but a lot of people are saying this - the PDK 991S is a complete blast I can only imagine a GT3 version would be suitably insane - Warp Speed 10
** I can't see this as a huge concern for Porsche, they've made so many changes to the 911 over the years to keep the car relevant and on top, giving the GT3 a PDK 'box is probably just seen as a simple logical progression

For what it's worth, I'd take a 991 GT3 in PDK form - the 991S PDK I drove has swung it for me and convinced me PDK is the way forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roro wrote:
My initial thoughts on possible pros and cons of a PDK GT3 -

Pros
-----

1. Faster than equivalent manual
2. Easier to drive
3. Previous (pre-PDK) generations of GT3 may become more desirable (surely a good thing for Porsche as well as owners of these models)
4. Proves Porsche is keeping up with the times

Cons
-----

1. "Less fun" *
2. More expensive? (to buy and repair)
3. Relatively unproven - potential reliability issues?
4. Heavier than manual?
5. Enthusiast revolt and short-term adverse publicity **


* I don't think it will be less fun personally, but a lot of people are saying this - the PDK 991S is a complete blast I can only imagine a GT3 version would be suitably insane - Warp Speed 10
** I can't see this as a huge concern for Porsche, they've made so many changes to the 911 over the years to keep the car relevant and on top, giving the GT3 a PDK 'box is probably just seen as a simple logical progression

For what it's worth, I'd take a 991 GT3 in PDK form - the 991S PDK I drove has swung it for me and convinced me PDK is the way forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMG only never stopped the CSL being considered a great did it

I have no doubt the PDK GT3 will be similarly revered
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be amazed if the GT3 wasn't available with a bespoke version of the PDK gearbox

I'd also be amazed if the GT3 was not also available with a manual gearbox!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they will make the GT3 Manual and the RS PDK or vice versa?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've long wanted a car with a flappy paddle box and bought an E60 M5 in December.

Its ok and fun to an extent but I'm very happy my GT3 is manual Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FredGT3 wrote:
I've long wanted a car with a flappy paddle box and bought an E60 M5 in December.

Its ok and fun to an extent but I'm very happy my GT3 is manual Very Happy

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From four years living with an M3 SMG it is okay, but PDK is at a completely different level.

And not that I'll be able to afford one until I'm too decrepit to use it, but come 2013 I will be lusting after a GT3 with PDK
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will it do a little accelerator blip when shifting down gears? That would be nice Smile If the PDK box can be told to do what the driver wants, then that solution would be OK with me. Let's not forget that PDK was first used in racing by Porsche. Was it in a 917?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
Roro wrote:
My initial thoughts on possible pros and cons of a PDK GT3 -

Pros
-----

1. Faster than equivalent manual
2. Easier to drive
3. Previous (pre-PDK) generations of GT3 may become more desirable (surely a good thing for Porsche as well as owners of these models)
4. Proves Porsche is keeping up with the times

Cons
-----

1. "Less fun" *
2. More expensive? (to buy and repair)
3. Relatively unproven - potential reliability issues?
4. Heavier than manual?
5. Enthusiast revolt and short-term adverse publicity **


* I don't think it will be less fun personally, but a lot of people are saying this - the PDK 991S is a complete blast I can only imagine a GT3 version would be suitably insane - Warp Speed 10
** I can't see this as a huge concern for Porsche, they've made so many changes to the 911 over the years to keep the car relevant and on top, giving the GT3 a PDK 'box is probably just seen as a simple logical progression

For what it's worth, I'd take a 991 GT3 in PDK form - the 991S PDK I drove has swung it for me and convinced me PDK is the way forward.

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Agreed.

Given the level things have moved on to with the 458 and the McLaren I don't think Porsche will want to leave PDK out of the GT range, if they can only use one gearbox I think they'd be brave to make it manual.


I picked up a PDK Boxster Spyder last week and it's a real leap forward from tiptronic in terms of performance and driver involvement, I've always had manuals but from my first few days with this car I don't think I'll be rushing back to one.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAB+ wrote:
Will it do a little accelerator blip when shifting down gears? That would be nice Smile If the PDK box can be told to do what the driver wants, then that solution would be OK with me. Let's not forget that PDK was first used in racing by Porsche. Was it in a 917?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red993C4 wrote:
DAB+ wrote:
Will it do a little accelerator blip when shifting down gears? That would be nice Smile If the PDK box can be told to do what the driver wants, then that solution would be OK with me. Let's not forget that PDK was first used in racing by Porsche. Was it in a 917?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anotherGT2 wrote:
Red993C4 wrote:
DAB+ wrote:
Will it do a little accelerator blip when shifting down gears? That would be nice Smile If the PDK box can be told to do what the driver wants, then that solution would be OK with me. Let's not forget that PDK was first used in racing by Porsche. Was it in a 917?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, dunno if I like the idea. If its the only choice I think I would still buy one but surely they can offer both options.

PDK boxes I have used are efficient but are still making decisions for you, if it has a pure, no fiddling with my shifts up or down mode, then could work.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wondering if I've just put 2 and 2 together and got 22.

I posted this yesterday - http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=71227

What if Porsche gave us something in between PDK and a manual, ie a sequential gearbox with a clutch like in the video? It seems to work ok in this example, it looks like a nice halfway house that would keep both the manual and PDK crowds happy.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use the PDK shifter like a sequential box anyway, though thankfully it looks somewhat less like a painful sex toy abomination than in the clip Surprised
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chimp911 wrote:
You can use the PDK shifter like a sequential box anyway, though thankfully it looks somewhat less like a painful sex toy abomination than in the clip Surprised


I'm thinking that may be part of the attraction for us GT3 drivers Very Happy

.. Or am I speaking for myself Shut Up

PDK can be used like a sequential 'box, but it doesn't have a manual foot operated clutch like a manual car. The GT3 RS in the video has a clutch that the driver needs to depress in the normal way to change gear, but then the gear changes themselves are via up/down movements rather than an H-pattern manual. I like it a lot, and although I've never tried it I wonder if I'd prefer it to a PDK. Seems to offer the best of both worlds. I don't think anyone offers this in a production car though, and there's probably a good reason, not sure what though!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PDK box is approx 55Ibs/25Kg heavier, so unless they can come up with something else, I can't see it being fitted to a GT/RS anytime soon.

....unless of course the historical traits of GT/RS's is being thrown out the window under the new regime Dont know
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