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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:44 pm    Post subject: Spotted Rare 911 (996) GT2 Clubsport For Sale Reply with quote

these are getting rare, but looking the best in Arctic Silver Smile

here's a fine example from Chappell Sports Cars in Chichester, just down the road from Goodwood.

http://www.chappellsportscars.com/stock/used-porsche-911-43194

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Year, 2002 / 02
Miles, 33000 miles
Exterior Colour, Arctic Silver Metallic
Interior Colour, Black Nomex
Price, £48500



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Car Details
~ 6 Speed Shortshift Manual
~ Arctic Silver Metallic
~ Clubsport Package incorporating Nomex Fire Retardant Lightweight Recaro Bucket Seats With Guards Red Schroth 4 Point Harnesses and Full Roll Cage & Fire Extinguisher
~ Climate Control Airconditioning
~ Litronic Lights With Wash
~ Stainless Steel Twin Exhaust Tailpipes
~ GT2 Fixed Rear Spoiler & Front Bumper With Carbon Centre Airvent
~ 18 inch Turbo 2 Alloys With Colour Crested Centres
~ Porsche Crest Embossed Headrests
~ CDR22 Single CD

This Is an outstanding example of the ultra rare 996 GT2 with just 129 examples produced for the UK right hand drive market
Full & Thorough Porsche Main Agent & Notable Porsche Specialist Service History With 10 Service Stamps recorded
33000 Miles[/list]

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never seen the extinguisher mounted in that orientation Dont know

Must be a real pain for the passenger - the normal north-south is bad enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohhhhh very nice....for a kettle. Sorry for asking but whats the difference between a GT3 and 2
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure somebody will be along to give you the full low down soon, but the GT3 is N/A, the GT2 is a rear wheeldrive turbo with no traction control, no rear seats, and a bit more power than a turbo s or X50 turbo. I think the last ones were about 480hp. Lots of power and no driver aids led to them being known as 'the widowmaker'.
I looked at them when I got my turbo but it was a step to far for a road car for me, I wanted some 'help' when things went wrong, the extra traction of 4wd and back seats for my little lad.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
Never seen the extinguisher mounted in that orientation Dont know

Must be a real pain for the passenger - the normal north-south is bad enough.


East-west is in fact the intended orientation.

Did you manage to find a way of bolting the factory bracket to the holes provided in the car floor with the extinguisher fitted north-south, or did you make your own adapter? Question

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
I am sure somebody will be along to give you the full low down soon, but the GT3 is N/A, the GT2 is a rear wheeldrive turbo with no traction control, no rear seats, and a bit more power than a turbo s or X50 turbo. I think the last ones were about 480hp. Lots of power and no driver aids led to them being known as 'the widowmaker'.
I looked at them when I got my turbo but it was a step to far for a road car for me, I wanted some 'help' when things went wrong, the extra traction of 4wd and back seats for my little lad.

MC

I think you've got the differences between the 2' and 3' pretty well covered.
The power delivery on a 3' is pretty linear whereas the 2' turbo motor
comes in a narrower power band, but that power arrives in a serious rush.
The 3' rev's considerably higher...on the RS version over 8200rpm...the 2'
has considerably more torgue (over 150 lbs + extra !).
There is no doubt that the power delivery of the 2' makes it the harder of
the two cars to master as a track weopon !...

Someone else will no doubt be along later !!! Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red993C4 wrote:
NXI20 wrote:
Never seen the extinguisher mounted in that orientation Dont know

Must be a real pain for the passenger - the normal north-south is bad enough.


East-west is in fact the intended orientation.

Did you manage to find a way of bolting the factory bracket to the holes provided in the car floor with the extinguisher fitted north-south, or did you make your own adapter? Question


The GT3 Clubsport has it north-south & the holes come that way from the factory. How odd, you wouldn't have thought they'd change it on what is essentially the same shell.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
Red993C4 wrote:
NXI20 wrote:
Never seen the extinguisher mounted in that orientation Dont know

Must be a real pain for the passenger - the normal north-south is bad enough.


East-west is in fact the intended orientation.

Did you manage to find a way of bolting the factory bracket to the holes provided in the car floor with the extinguisher fitted north-south, or did you make your own adapter? Question


The GT3 Clubsport has it north-south & the holes come that way from the factory. How odd, you wouldn't have thought they'd change it on what is essentially the same shell.


Maybe it's not bolted in, just sort of placed there for the photo?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
Red993C4 wrote:
NXI20 wrote:
Never seen the extinguisher mounted in that orientation Dont know

Must be a real pain for the passenger - the normal north-south is bad enough.


East-west is in fact the intended orientation.

Did you manage to find a way of bolting the factory bracket to the holes provided in the car floor with the extinguisher fitted north-south, or did you make your own adapter? Question


The GT3 Clubsport has it north-south & the holes come that way from the factory. How odd, you wouldn't have thought they'd change it on what is essentially the same shell.


Then my memory is playing tricks with me because I thought I remembered the 2 holes in the carpet and body floor being aligned east-west, and the GT2 and GT3 Clubsport fire extinguishers also being east-west, when installed, as shown in the GT2 ad linked to above.
The body-in-white was not changed from 996 GT3 to GT2 in this respect, so Senoj is probably right when he speculates that the extinguisher has just been laid loose on the floor of the car shown.
Dont know


PS: Another thing that just occurs to me is that the Clubsport cars I was familiar with were the LHD version, and the reinforcing plate for the RHD version may have been aligned differently for some reason.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
MisterCorn wrote:
I am sure somebody will be along to give you the full low down soon, but the GT3 is N/A, the GT2 is a rear wheeldrive turbo with no traction control, no rear seats, and a bit more power than a turbo s or X50 turbo. I think the last ones were about 480hp. Lots of power and no driver aids led to them being known as 'the widowmaker'.
I looked at them when I got my turbo but it was a step to far for a road car for me, I wanted some 'help' when things went wrong, the extra traction of 4wd and back seats for my little lad.

MC

I think you've got the differences between the 2' and 3' pretty well covered.
The power delivery on a 3' is pretty linear whereas the 2' turbo motor
comes in a narrower power band, but that power arrives in a serious rush.
The 3' rev's considerably higher...on the RS version over 8200rpm...the 2'
has considerably more torgue (over 150 lbs + extra !).
There is no doubt that the power delivery of the 2' makes it the harder of
the two cars to master as a track weopon !...

Someone else will no doubt be along later !!! Cool


The only major point I haven't seen mentioned is that the original 996 GT3 was built using the Carrera's narrow body and the GT2 the Turbo's wide body (that is, across the rear axle).
The 996 GT2 was also the first of these models to have the air from the centre radiator venting over the boot lid to create aerodynamic downforce on the front axle.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REALLY nice, and surely a future classic.

Wonder how many are left..??? They seem to be going the same way as the Escort Cosworth - ie, through a hedge at 80mph Surprised
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red993C4 wrote:
The 996 GT2 was also the first of these models to have the air from the centre radiator venting over the boot lid to create aerodynamic downforce on the front axle.


Mmm, I think you'll find that it's technically reducing lift rather than actually producing any appreciable downforce. I've got the angled centre rad, full GT2 chimney & ducting on my GT3; it is slightly noticeable over about 120mph but nowhere near the effect of a car with proper downforce which is much more noticeable at lower speeds.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
Red993C4 wrote:
The 996 GT2 was also the first of these models to have the air from the centre radiator venting over the boot lid to create aerodynamic downforce on the front axle.


Mmm, I think you'll find that it's technically reducing lift rather than actually producing any appreciable downforce. I've got the angled centre rad, full GT2 chimney & ducting on my GT3; it is slightly noticeable over about 120mph but nowhere near the effect of a car with proper downforce which is much more noticeable at lower speeds.


Haven't found the equivalent test report for the 996 GT2 yet, but the attached Sport Auto Supertest report for the 997 GT2 shows that that magazine independently measured a downforce of 9kg at the front axle and 29kg on the rear axle at 200km in a wind tunnel for that car.

The Sport Auto Supertest of the 996.2 GT3 showed an aerodynamic lift at the front end of 13kg at 200 km, whilst the corresponding 996.2 GT3 RS with the same front centre rad chimney had 19kg lift, presumably due to the lever-effect of the high-downforce rear wing acting behind the rear axle.
 



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 is a different beast and does have (a bit of) downforce. Pretty sure the 996 variants only had varying amounts of lift.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

....all 996 GT2's that left the factory with the clubsport package have/had north > south extinguishers.

If it was fitted out at the factory it would have the clubsport option code on the bonnet sticker and in the handbook. A quick call to an OPC with the VIN can also confirm where the CS pack was added.

Its easy enough to convert a std GT2 to a clubsport spec, re seats, cage, belts etc and it does not de-value the car.

The tell-tale is the master cut-off switch circuit(shipped with the factory CS cars but circuit not active). All the factory spec'd CS cars had this circuit.

This looks like a very nice motor Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 996.2 GT3 RS centre rad chimney was cosmetic and didn't use canted centre rad or re routed air flow. This may go some way to explaining the german article results?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the GT2 pre/production road tests the engineers had terrible aero issues trying to keep the nose from lifting after 175mph. To solve it they revised the rear wing and routed more air over and through the front. It's still not quite as stable as a turbo near the max but few of us will go near 200 mph
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Gt2 Reply with quote

I'm hoping to take a trip to Germany this year and go for the big 200mph,realistic ? Stupid? I'm not sure but a goal of mine. DMS whom worked on my car seem to think 200mph not a problem in this car currently running at 547 BHP as last tested. any advise?
 
  
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Only really viable at night time....anything up to 160mph is attainable
with care pretty much anywhere. At 180mph, that Volvo estate .5km up
the road comes up in a blink of an eye !!.
It's the last 20mph...you need a really clear road and great visability !
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