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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:28 am    Post subject: The new 991: quick, buy the old one now! Reply with quote

The first of the three most critical departures between it and its forebears is that this is the first 911 to be built chiefly from aluminium.

The second difference is that the wheelbase has been extended by a substantial (but currently secret) amount.

Two-thirds of the extra space between the wheels is located behind the driver, although it remains a fundamentally two-seat car. Project manager August Achleitner insists the car’s character and agility have not been compromised.

The front track has been widened by a similar amount to that of the current 997 GT3 RS.

The suspension's relative spring rates have been slightly increased while the damping has been backed off a little, in pursuit of better small bump isolation.

Whether this has been achieved at the expense of some of that magical 997 ability to make you feel hardwired into the road surface, is simply impossible to say without a steering wheel in your hands.

What you do notice is the disconnect between the savagery with which the car attacks each corner and the almost complete tranquillity in the cockpit.

What strikes you most is how easy it appears to be to drive the car on the limit, and how unflappable is its composure.

If fiddling with a 911’s wheelbase is courting controversy, changing the way it steers might be seen by purists as punching it in the face. The third reason this 911 is like no other before is that hydraulic power steering has been dropped for an electro-mechanical system.

The 991 is lighter than the car it replaces by dozens of kilos, despite bigger, heavier wheels, tyres and brakes and more robust crash structures. It’s also very slightly lower.

While the ‘S’ continues to displace 3.8-litres, the standard car’s capacity has been reduced to 3.4-litres. In fact its bore and stroke are identical to those of a Boxster S, though different cams and a new exhaust provide more power – 350bhp at the moment, though homologation has yet to be completed. The power of the 3.8 rises to 400bhp and the rev limit of both engines increases by 200rpm to 7800rpm.

More power and less weight means 4.5sec for the S and 4.8sec for the 3.4-litre car.

The PDK double clutch auto has been sharpened up again but it is the manual that might be introduced that breaks new ground. In effect it is a manually controlled single clutch version of PDK which means, for the first time in any manual production car: seven forward speeds.

This means the old gearbox is no more, so Porsche’s Motorsport colleagues working on the next generation of GT3s down in Weissach have nothing to strap to the old race-based flat six that’s powered all their cars since 1999.

So this noble motor has been retired, to be replaced by the somewhat simpler, cheaper, more modern and unrelated direct injection engine used by all other 911s. Quite what will be done to it for the new GT3 remains to be seen

The new interior reveals Panamera style and switches.

Is this still a 911? If it is, it will be a rather different one – even more useable, spacious, comfortable and quiet.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great review Paul. worship

But.. Useless

I would be interested to know how this will drive. When will we get the chance to see it, and drive it, in the flesh?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: The new 991: quick, buy the old one now! Reply with quote

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So this noble motor has been retired, to be replaced by the somewhat simpler, cheaper, more modern and unrelated direct injection engine used by all other 911s. Quite what will be done to it for the new GT3 remains to be seen

The new interior reveals Panamera style and switches.

Is this still a 911? If it is, it will be a rather different one – even more useable, spacious, comfortable and quiet.


As discussed on another thread, it does look like the GT's in the guise of a 911 are coming to an end Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG I hope they don't "dampen" it down too much. There is no doubt about it, Europe is heading more towards building smaller CC cars.

"This means the old gearbox is no more, so Porsche’s Motorsport colleagues working on the next generation of GT3s down in Weissach have nothing to strap to the old race-based flat six that’s powered all their cars since 1999. "

Surely they have another manual box ready........or are we looking at our first non-manual GT?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a privileged source, and I certainly haven't personally driven it or even seen the new 991 yet.

The post is is edited/compiled from another source (obviously), but with identical content (I added nothing outside of required tense changes or first to third person etc).

However, I did specifically rearrange the content.

Firstly bring all the related comments (eg engines and gear box, structure and suspension etc) together.

Secondly, I specifically made it "controversial" or certainly a "darker" review for the purposes of being contrarian or a discussion point (ie get a reaction!).

There is no rejoicing in any aspects per se.

But, and this is important and is to some extent the inspiration for the post, it does reflect my concerns for Porsche and specifically the future for the sportscar we all know and love (including the wet ones) as the "911".

I just hope this isn't the 911's Mark III Golf moment Sad

We will have to wait and see.

 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a 993 if you want to stay connected Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hummer wrote:
Buy a 993 if you want to stay solvent Very Happy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
I don't have a privileged source, and I certainly haven't personally driven it or even seen the new 991 yet.

The post is is edited/compiled from another source (obviously), but with identical content (I added nothing outside of required tense changes or first to third person etc).

However, I did specifically rearrange the content.

Firstly bring all the related comments (eg engines and gear box, structure and suspension etc) together.

Secondly, I specifically made it "controversial" or certainly a "darker" review for the purposes of being contrarian or a discussion point (ie get a reaction!).

There is no rejoicing in any aspects per se.

But, and this is important and is to some extent the inspiration for the post, it does reflect my concerns for Porsche and specifically the future for the sportscar we all know and love (including the wet ones) as the "911".

I just hope this isn't the 911's Mark III Golf moment Sad

We will have to wait and see.




If they s*rew up the GT variants in particular(or not launch for a long time) then I predict that 996/997 GT2/3's will all be in high demand....esp that 4.0GT3 RS....hmmmm.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If they s*rew up the GT variants in particular(or not launch for a long time) then I predict that 996/997 GT2/3's will all be in high demand....esp that 4.0GT3 RS....hmmmm.



Agreed. This sounds like bad news for the 911.

I'd be quite happy with myself if I'd just bought a GTS, or owned any GT model infact.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: interior pic of 991...first impressions Reply with quote

Make your own mind up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from a few months back.....

"Originally Posted by rosenbergendo »
Just got back from Daytona and my 2010 Gt3 in the Porsche corral with my 4 year old. I managed to corner one of the very very higher ups of Porsche motorsport and he was VERY open with 991 info. He saw my car and I started asking him about the 991 GT3/cup and then going on to what he knew about the street car. What he told me is the following.

1.9A1 motor for sure with 480 hp for GT3
2. PDK-S (he used this term twice) which has been tested with the 9A1 for over 4 years he claims.3.Weight loss of 180-200 lbs through use of composites.
4.Aboslutely no hybrid tech.He said specifically it doesnt fit the GT3 motif.
5.Confirmed no more Gt1 (Mezger) block after GT3 RS LE (he confirmed 4.0 RSR motor).
6.Stressed the move of the motor forward essentially making the car a mid-engine car, even though Porsche will never call it one. He says this will make the car more balanced."

Kind of supports the rumour that the GT3 will not be a manual car and that the engine will be moving forward.

..but when will the GT cars emerge? Some say late 2013/early 2014!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks a bit like the inside of the Panamera.

I sat inside one yesterday at the Goodwood FOS and I want one now. I don't care if they're ugly that is one hell of a car... Surprised
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As per my previous comments on this long ago, I said the car would be bigger, and loose a lot of the traditional characteristics.

The 911 has finished. This is virtually a Panamera.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good 996/997 GT's(and turbo's) could soon be a better investment than Gold Floor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/gold/8609976/UK-unveils-first-ATM-for-gold-at-Westfield-Shopping-Centre.html

I recall the Golf MkIII flop......everyone flocked back to the earlier models. Even today the trade don't want them.

Lets hope Porsche don't score an own goal here(gulp) but the vibes are mixed/jury's out at the moment.

Maybe they are going after a more mainstream customer/volume market now(more £££ in it) Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizard993 wrote:
Maybe they are going after a more mainstream customer/volume market now(more £££ in it) Dont know


Going? Think they almost there already!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall an article(will see if I still have it) about the demise of the Super/high performance car in Europe. The Eurocrats are now ganging-up on the manufacturers to product smaller engined/eco-friendly cars(before Euro rules get forced on them).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not surprised they needed a 3.4 and ally body panels to offset this monstrosity?

I can see the price of a carbon centre console trebling (if nothing else, for the sheer surface area it will have to cover Surprised )

 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car and Driver (US) tags along at South African testing:

* Carrera S to have 400 HP
* Carrera to have 350 HP, share 3.4l engine w/ Boxster S
* 2 trannys: 7-spd manual and 7-spd PDK
* Launch Control available on both transmissions
* 2.5 in longer, 4 in longer wheelbase
* longer wheel base to accommodate HYBRID drivetrain in 2016 mid-cycle refresh
* 12-15% improved fuel efficiency (euro cycle)
* electronic parking brake
* full-length sunroof (Panoramic style)
* 19-in wheels standard on Carrera, 20-in on Carrera S (20s optional on Carrera) Surprised (probably to try and hide the size of the ENORMOUS body)

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Beyond the lift-throttle oversteer, beyond the repair bills, and beyond the accusations of sexual inadequacy, most Porschephiles' longest-standing fear is that Zuffenhausen is going to screw up the 911. This is especially true when they know there are big changes coming. Well, this new 911, code-named 991 and set to debut in September, is larger and built to accommodate a hybrid powertrain. How's that for terrifying? Kinda makes watercooled engines seem like small- er cup holders, no? But if our first experience with the preproduction car is any indication, there's nothing to fear.

We have flown to South Africa to join August Achleitner, the man known as "Mr. 911," responsible for all 911-series cars, and 991 project leader Bernd Kahnan for the car's final chassis-tune shakedown. First question to Achleitner: "How will you keep the soul of the 911 intact?" He smiles and urges calm. "We sharpened the 911 by making it faster, more responsive, safer, and more environmentally friendly. But we didn't mess it up!"

That's certainly true of the bodywork, which is stretched and pulled but still unmistakably 911, even under the camouflage. The car's body is 2.2 inches longer than the outgoing 997 and sits on a 4.0-inch-longer wheelbase. This is to make real estate available for the coming-for-2016 hybrid version's electric motor and components. The front and rear overhangs are shorter, by 1.3 and 0.5 inch respectively, and the car's roofline is lower by 0.5 inch. Because our particular 911 S is outfitted with the sport suspension, it crouches an additional 0.7 inch closer to the pavement.

Dimensional changes to the greenhouse may seem equally small on paper, but they have the effect of making the whole car look sleeker. The windshield is more convex and its rake faster in the interest of aerodynamics -- the new 911's Cd is a claimed 0.29, identical to the 997's. Porsche moved the base of the A-pillars forward by 1.4 inches. And the center bottom of the glass punches out by a meaningful 3.2 inches so that, in combination with a full-length sunroof and more shoulder room, the cabin feels much airier than before. But the back seat is still only useful for the tiniest of children and dogs. Standing on 19- (regular 911) and 20-inch (911 S, optional for 911) wheels, the 991 looks ready to pounce.


What will it really look like?

 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On reflection, thats going to be a great car, and I heard much cheaper too.

Anyone with a 996 GT2 or GT3 should drop the price massively and dump it as soon as they can.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peters, that is great community service, and I for one will put my hand up and offer to assist also.

£50k+my car for any nice 997 GT3s looking for a loving, caring home in what will be a chill climate for such outdated tat once we are in the brave new world of the new 991 (launched September 2011 mainland Europe, so not much time to take this once in a lifetime deal?).
 
  
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