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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably a silly question: are the parts that made up the 3.4 X51 package still available?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah! Interesting. My engine is on ~62,000 miles, I plan on rebuilding it at 100,000, be good to upgrade it to X51 specification.

Of course that'll be in a little while, but that gives time to put funds aside.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because I happen to be at OPC Hatfield (hey, it was afternoon tea time), I asked them to run a quote (for a 996 3.4):

Parts only = £15,834.30
Labour = 36 hours @ (nominal) £125+VAT

If you are serious, they will discount labour by 50% and parts by 10%
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Golly.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt-A wrote:
It is on the frunk sticker



Just wanted to clarify this slightly - as far as I can see, the 40th Anniversary cars don't have it listed on the options code, I am assuming because it came as "standard" on this model. Same with M030 suspension, sunroof etc that all came as standard as well. Think the only options on build sticker are the ones from the limited list offered on this car.

Basing this on the stickers on my car and in the service book, so hopefully correct unless mines a 40th AE "ringer" although Porsche certificate confirms it is and doesn't mention X51 either.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anni's don't list it.

Much like Turbo S doesn't list X50!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
Just because I happen to be at OPC Hatfield (hey, it was afternoon tea time), I asked them to run a quote (for a 996 3.4):

Parts only = £15,834.30
Labour = 36 hours @ (nominal) £125+VAT

If you are serious, they will discount labour by 50% and parts by 10%


Thanks for this btw, I wonder how this compares to (if you can find one!) buying an X51 3.4 and getting Hartech to rebuild it (and fit the third rad etc).
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand?

The X51 would have the third centre rad.

But in terms of rebuild, Hartech would be cheaper.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I was unclear- I meant finding an X51 engine, i.e. the whole unit with the manifolds etc. Not the entire car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck at the scrappy!

Floor

General population is less than 1% (by that I mean Carrera etc that aren't Anni's, 'cause 100% of Anni's are X51)
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it'd require a degree of luck, however I've got probably 7 years at my current mileage before the rebuild, so time is on my side.

But I agree, I'd likely end up buying the whole thing new in the end.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a second hand 996 3.6 X51 engine up for sale

Now the correct one. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252731688990
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting - although at that price I'd buy new instead.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not going to work in a 996.1 Bandit
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: 996 3.4 X51 Reply with quote

First post on the forum so please be gentle bye

I purchased a 99 C4 recently and whilst researching the options on the VI under bonnet and in the service and maintenance book came across this thread.

The car had quite a few options at build including PCM1 and X51. A fairly comprehensive history although can't find anything relating to IMS bearing. I've read sooo many expert opinions on this in the last few days I don't know whether to get it replaced as a matter of course or to leave alone WTF
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it alone.

If you happen to have a clutch change (or Throwback Tuesday, RMS swap), then visually inspect and pull the outer seal.

Just remember, you have the dual-row IMSB with less than an 1/8th of the chance of dying as the 996.2 or even my current car! (indeed, most 997.1 Carrera/Targa)

Sleep well!

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... do fit an LTT though Thumb

PS - Welcome - my first Porsche was a 996 Carrera 4 3.4 X51!

 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi GT4 (and anyone else in the know Cool)

Could I ask - what would your advice be for a 3.6 X51 engine?

Mine's a 2003 with 64k miles currently. I don't anticipate a great amount of miles PA (maybe 2/3k at a push - probably less), clutch was changed at Porsche within the last 10-20k miles IIRC. I've a feeling there was mention of a replacement IMS cover/seal and new bolts when the clutch was done but would need to dig through the paperwork to see exactly what it was they did. No other engine work I can recall other usual servicing, coil packs etc.

Engine seems otherwise fine but obviously would like to do whatever is recommended for peace of mind thumbsup
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
Leave it alone.

If you happen to have a clutch change (or Throwback Tuesday, RMS swap), then visually inspect and pull the outer seal.

Just remember, you have the dual-row IMSB with less than an 1/8th of the chance of dying as the 996.2 or even my current car! (indeed, most 997.1 Carrera/Targa)

Sleep well!

Sleepy Happy


... do fit an LTT though Thumb

PS - Welcome - my first Porsche was a 996 Carrera 4 3.4 X51!



I'll leave alone then! So many different opinions and experts on the net!

Your first car looks great! thumbsup I have the same wheels and side skirts but standard front and rear bumpers

What are the benefits of LTT and what's the best source? Is it a Porsche or aftermarket part?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advice is still as above (but you are higher risk being 996.2)

I suspect the RMS (seal) was changed (the IMS seal would not be noted as it is not serviceable part, ie very few would know about it and no OPC could touch it as there is no TSB on its serviceability - it's a whole new IMS and IMSB (with seals) if it were actioned by OPC)
 
  
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