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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockunrolla wrote:
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Michelin Pilot Super Sports are a no brainer


+1 , im on my second set now , theses arnt only the best non n rated , they are also better than the N rated Razz


Apparently (no personal experience with them) not too good in the wet though?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did silverstone last yr with rain bouncing down and my MPSS were like glue to the tarmac Judge
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

declandio wrote:
Rockunrolla wrote:
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Michelin Pilot Super Sports are a no brainer


+1 , im on my second set now , theses arnt only the best non n rated , they are also better than the N rated Razz


Apparently (no personal experience with them) not too good in the wet though?

I find the PSS good enough in wet. I had them on my Mazda 6 MPS (1,665kg, 4WD). On Bruntingthrope track day after X'mas and before New Year, it was brilliant on a cold, icy(morning) / wet (rest of the day) track throughout the day at c.3 degrees Celsius.

It took the fast left hander at the pit exit at over 100 mph in that condition without triggering the ESP. Minimum speed in corners well above other cars. Breakaway characteristic very gentle and predictable.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Michelin Pilot Super Sports are a no brainer


Had those but they were 8yrs old.

8 years old is quite old for a tyre. I just ditched my MR2 front tyres as they were DOT 2007 due to age even though it has 4 mm on the tread. I would have reservation to drive hard on any tyres over 6 years old.


they weren't even available 8 years ago
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^^^ I got them uber cheap and given this was a trial thought I'd give them a go. Didn't Avon invent rubber/tyre so what's to lose Dont know

I think now they are ZZR3 and as ever there are mixed opinions - 'ditchfinders' (a la Pistonheads - although I'd say that's a lot to do with driver ability/incompetence rather than rubber) and 'budget' tyres. Supposed to be rubbish in the wet, yet have a wet 'B' rating so not sure of that statement.

They are on the 964 which compared to my 993 allows perhaps slighlty more noise into the cabin. Plus my 993 had Pirelli Rosso which I found very good (and quiet).

Take account that my Pilots were 8yrs old and I suspect the hardning of the compound led to the increase in noise and harsh ride.


I can't recommend the Avons, on a modern 911, they are a generation behind in terms of technology against the latest offering from Michelin, Pirelli, etc. Speaking from experience, fast driving in the wet, they were probably one of the worst 'modern' tyres I've driven in the wet.

Problem with the A to G rating is that it is all self-certification, which is why some of the very questionable unknown brands from China score quite high. The only benchmark is N rating and from a premium supplier who supplies N rated tyres.

the MPSS are in high demand so supply in certain sizes can be limited, but one for Exel wheels to comment on.
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In most of the thorough tests, the MPss seems to be in the same top 4 grouping with the f1 as2, Conti 5 and Hankook evo2. More often than not, these tyres seem to be comfortable ahead of the rest. Once I've tracked down some rears I'll be able to see how they compare on price, but performance wise seems to be more or less as per the above.

Leaning toward the Conti 5 as it seems to beat all-comers most times (inc MPss) and is a good price, but will wait till I've confirmed MPss pricing.

Surprised at the Hankook and also didn't know they are spec'd on the Macan. But they are not much cheaper than Conti 5 or f1.
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried about 2-3 weeks ago to get a set of MPSS's from Indy in East Sussex

He was told 10-12 weeks for delivery.

I then tried Tonbridge OPC who said they were a 24 hrs delivery, but when ordered them they couldn't be located.

It does seem that there is not many about and some computer stock lists are incorrect.

Its the rears that appear out of stock and there are very few front sets about.

I have gone back to Indy and hope to get them in June.

I hope they arrive soon nooo
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odd thread - the best tyre that you can put on a 997 is the Michelin Cup 2 (which unlike previous Cups does work well in the wet) and is available N rated anyway. The only reason not to choose it is longevity, but given that the OP asserts a degree of non-price-sensitivity..... Dont know
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this when searching

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 295/30 R18 94 Y Designed for vehicles with the highest performance for road and track use.

Product Benefits
* The reference on dry race tracks
* Fitted as original equipment on the Porsche 911, GT2 GT3 and BMW M3
* Homologated by Porsche on the 911 (997) GT3 / GT3 RS versions, and by BMW on the M3.

Built for circuit use, yet easy to drive on the open road MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup, the quickest tyre on a dry circuit and fully road legal Homologated by Porsche on the 911 (997) GT3 / GT3 RS versions, and by BMW on the M3.

Built for circuit use, yet easy to drive on the open road. Easy to drive in wet conditions: wet road holding close to Michelin's sports tyre range (Pilot Sport 2) which was rated amongst the best in German press tests in March 2006 (ADAC, Sport Auto).

The MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup tread pattern

Interior: - Wet grip oriented - Grooves and sipes designed for wet handling
Exterior: - Designed for dry grip - Extremely stable, Michelin Motorsport derived tread pattern Conditions of Use
Road use: - Use the car manufacturer’s recommended tyre pressures.
Track use: Cold starting pressures, 26 psi (1.8 bar) front and rear. Then bring the tyres gradually up to temperature. To maximise grip aim for: - Hot pressures of 2.3 bar front and rear (contact Michelin for more information). - Tread compound temperature between 70° and 110°C for optimum performance.

For more information, contact Michelin.

Important: after track use, before leaving the circuit and once the tyres have cooled down, re-inflate your tyres to establish the car manufacturer’s recommended tyre pressures.

Due to the reduced original tread depths and technical characteristics of these tyres, we advise drivers to take care and reduce speeds as necessary in wet conditions, especially in deep standing water or heavy rain. This applies to track and road use.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
Odd thread - the best tyre that you can put on a 997 is the Michelin Cup 2 (which unlike previous Cups does work well in the wet) and is available N rated anyway. The only reason not to choose it is longevity, but given that the OP asserts a degree of non-price-sensitivity..... Dont know


Not sure why the thread seems odd? Just wanting to assess the latest technology road tyres as sticking to n-rated seems to limit the choice and exclude most of the highest performance, latest tyres.

As I said in the OP, I won't be going on track and so want best performance on a variety of roads, in all weather conditions. Michelin state that cup 2 are for dry track use but, paraphrasing, you can get away with them in the wet if you slow down a lot. Risk of aqua planing etc.. Not what I'm after.

Did anyone track down MPss in 305/30? I still can't find any? Does anyone own some?
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
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Michelin Pilot Super Sports are a no brainer


Had those but they were 8yrs old.....


Super Sports came out in 2011.

Pilot Sports came out a long time ago, maybe you're getting confused.

I have two spare 305/30/19 rears if you're stuck OP but I'm going to need them myself in a few months time. I'm willing to sell them to help you out but only at full price as that's what I would have to pay.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been reading the thread with interest.

Going to give the following a go for my 57 C4S on 19's

Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
235/35 R19 Y (91) £139.48 ea


Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2
295/30 R19 Y (100) £206.98 ea

I struggled to find the MSS on the black circles website, I used the chat and they said they were not available in that size!

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martian wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Porsche News wrote:
Michelin Pilot Super Sports are a no brainer


Had those but they were 8yrs old.....


Super Sports came out in 2011.

Pilot Sports came out a long time ago, maybe you're getting confused.

I have two spare 305/30/19 rears if you're stuck OP but I'm going to need them myself in a few months time. I'm willing to sell them to help you out but only at full price as that's what I would have to pay.


Thanks for the offer Martian, much appreciated. I still have a couple of months to shop around as I have 3 to 3.5mm on the rears so should be ok. Also, probably leaning towards Conti Sport Contact 5 after reading the reviews and tyre tests. V impressive, even head to head against MPSS. That said, Im assuming the MPSS are quite a bit more ££? What do MPSS cost in 305/19? Conti 5 are about £170ea from memory.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisbill86 wrote:
Been reading the thread with interest.

Going to give the following a go for my 57 C4S on 19's

Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
235/35 R19 Y (91) £139.48 ea


Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2
295/30 R19 Y (100) £206.98 ea

I struggled to find the MSS on the black circles website, I used the chat and they said they were not available in that size!

C.


I assume you mean "Asymmetric 2" on the front, as per the rear? Its a much newer design/compound.

They do have v good reviews and seem to hold their own against the best of the rest in the tyre tests. Im leaning towards Conti 5s (similar price to F1s), but would be great to heard real-world-997 feedback from anyone who has used all/some of these as a comparison? Doubtful though as they are all fairly recent...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:28 am    Post subject: Tyre choice?? Reply with quote

I recently purchased another new set of Michelin Pilot Sport 2's, N2 rated. Only after I had purchased did I give some thought to 'other options'
It seems, I am so happy with the PS2's that I actually buy them 'blindly' without even taking into account alternatives Question

I have to say in retrospect that this surprises and somewhat shocks me Surprised As I can't think of anything else in my entire life that the same could or would possibly happen.

Bearing in mind PS2's have been my default choice for my current Turbo, previous Turbo and M3 before that, spanning some 10 years!! I think I love the wet weather handling characteristics more than anything, but PS2's must be pretty old technology now.

Anyone done similar or 'seen the light' in regards to a more modern, better all round alternative??
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: Tyre choice?? Reply with quote

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Anyone done similar or 'seen the light' in regards to a more modern, better all round alternative??

Yeah they're called the Pilot Super Sports Wink
If you can get them that is... what
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyre choice?? Reply with quote

Shaoxter wrote:
Lawsy911 wrote:

Anyone done similar or 'seen the light' in regards to a more modern, better all round alternative??

Yeah they're called the Pilot Super Sports Wink
If you can get them that is... what


Totally agree, PS2 are good however Super Sport offer higher grip levels.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another vote for MPSS tyres. Phenomenal. Best tyre I've used.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpss not n rated yet, no?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update in case it's useful for recent pricing

2 x 235 35 19
2 x 305 30 19

£814 via Blackcircles. fitted locally (included in price)

Also qualified for approx £24 of Tesco club card vouchers eh!

Love having new tyres ... Big difference over the pzeros that were old and down to 3mm
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