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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:23 am    Post subject: which tyres for my 996 Reply with quote

sorry folks, newbie to site, so my question may have been answered before but couldn't find details when searching forum

have 2001 Y reg 996 C2 cabriolet tiptronic - currently fitted with pzero rosso N4s

rear pair need changing but as N4s appear to be in short supply need to look at changing all 4 to either conti sport 2/3 or pilot 2s ? . . . note, need all round tires with balance of performance and comfort/road noise

here's where I've got confused and would appreciate some help

1. folks appear to pref the ps2s but looking at porsches recommended list they suggest conti's or bridgestones for 2001/earlier cars and only add ps2s to list for post 2001 models . . . ? anyone have ps2s fitted to older 996 model ?

2. what weight/speed rating do I need . . . 88Y or 93Y on fronts ? 93Y or 97Y on rears as a min ?

any help appreciated, thanks
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and welcome

If they are N rated then they'll be the correct speed and weight rating but yes 88Y and 93Y are correct, you dont need to go higher.

Early 996 had 265/35/18 rears, facelift had 285/30/18 rears, but you can fit either to be honest.

Michelin PS2 are considered to be the best if budget is no issue, hard to fault really IMO. However Conti SC2 N2 are probably the most popular based on price, all year round performance esp in wet, comfort, noise and availability and I recommend them to many. Pirelli Rosso are considered to be much more a summer tyre and their wet performance is widely regarded to be poor especially after a bit of wear. There are other brands but collective user feedback is sparse.

If you want a quote/advice let me know where you are etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris,

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: which tires Reply with quote

jaskenth wrote:
anyone have ps2s fitted to older 996 model ?


I bought my 1998 C2 with Conti's fitted but have always preferred Michelins on my other cars.
Fitted PS2's and have had 4 set's since, slightly softer ride but higher wear rate [in my opinion] but i like the road grip.
I have 285/30/18 on the rear but availabilty was a bit of an issue last year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel free to call me a gyppo but I've just gone from N4 Pirellis to Falken FKs and can confirm sod all difference (apart from the extra £400 in my wallet). I'm sure some of the track day kings on here would notice but for what I need they're perfect. No flex, quieter than previosus, loads of grip and did very well in the recent bed of hail that fell on the weekend.

Highly recommended for those with short arms and deep pockets. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First time poster but long time reader of forum.

I've just put 4 new Falkens on mine, had always put Bridgestone S02's on before, and i must admit i can't tell the difference either:
Rears: Falken FK-452 255/40 R17 Y (94)
Fronts: Falken FK-452 205/50 R17 Y (93), Reinforced

Car seems to perform just as well in the wet as it did with the bridgestones. Put a set of Bridgestones on the rear dec 2010 and lasted till dec 2011, so i will see how the FKs cope re wear, the car does about 8k per year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another fan of FK452 tyres here. £600 for all four fitted and balanced. Super quiet and smooth. Flex goes after a couple of days. The grip never ceases to amaze me ( though i have no idea of the limits on these, or the more expensive alternatives) and they seem to be wearing slowly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good to hear re: the Falkens. The P-Zeros currently on the front of mine are ancient and well past their best, I've been pleased with Falkens on other cars in the past and was planning to try them on the 996 too.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is when you put really good rubber on they do put Falkens in the shade. Most Falken buyers from my experience are new to 911's, have poor experience from aged big brand tyres, anything is better than old worn tyres and the perception is that they're great. Yes they are good value but not really like for like versus Michelin or Conti...all IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't find Falkens in the size I needed (285/30R18) so went for Contisportcontact2's from Camskill, full set for £680 inc VAT & delivery plus another £80 for my local garage to fit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris W wrote:
Trouble is when you put really good rubber on they do put Falkens in the shade. Most Falken buyers from my experience are new to 911's, have poor experience from aged big brand tyres, anything is better than old worn tyres and the perception is that they're great. Yes they are good value but not really like for like versus Michelin or Conti...all IMHO.


What you say all makes perfect sense ( my car came with worn rears and old fronts) - but a the end of the day, im betting most drivers will never demand that "extra" performance out of their tyres. I've driven mine at what many would call an irresponsible speed over a few roundabouts and round sweeping bends (with no other traffic in view I might add) and didn't feel i was taxing the tyres at all.

If I were to get into track days I have no doubt a top brand of tyres would trounce the Falkens, but for every day use, they seem great - and the reduction in road noise is a massive bonus (not to mention the reduction in price!)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's something I've started to think about a lot recently about a lot of 'premium' products. Tyres included.

In the past I've always gone with the best, usually most expensive option tyres, usually PS2.

And I've always had that nagging feeling that whilst they will probably be a better tyre will I ever actually get the benefit of the extra cost.

I guess for most people if their car is a daily runner then probably at least 95% of the time you don't need all that extra grip\performance. Unless you drive like a lunatic Grin

Even if it is a weekender, like mine, when I do take it out and 'have some fun' I bet I don't\can't push the car hard enough on the roads to make a big difference.

I do plan to do a track day this year, and again, I bet I have just as much fun with a decent set of tyres rather than a premium set. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi westy,

Your Porsche is a 'premium' product and your argument seems to suggest against Porsche ownership as you will rarely exploit the full performance capability of your car.

With the speed and forces that a Porsche is ablle to generate in tyres, not to mention emergency manouvres, it doesn't make sense to compromise on the 4 contact patches on the road.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Porsche is a premium product and a do get a lot of enjoyment out of ownership and I probably don't get the full benefit of performance I doubt many of us do, but that's not the only reason for owning one.

I have always loved the look and styling of Porsche's as well as driving experience.

Basically what I'm saying is there are situations where you don't always need to put the absolute best on your car. I'm not saying put the cheapest you can find on. I still think you need to put 'decent' rubber on them.

What I'm saying it's a balance of cost vs benefit. When mine needs new rubber I'll probably put some conti Sport Contact 2's on rather than PS2's. Still a very good tyre and more than up to the job and I'd probably not even notice the difference between them and a set of more expensive PS2's.

I dare say there are people on here running even cheaper tyres not on the Porsche approved list. But still have good quality tyres. Are they risking life and limb every time they get in their cars because of that. I doubt it.

If you want to pay top whack for a set of tyres then go ahead, it's your money, your choice. But it's not the only choice out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no question in my mind that the Michelins are the best tyre you can buy for the 996. They are simply 10/10 in all areas (wet and dry grip, road noise, lifespan) but the Continental sport contact 2 tyres that came on my car and that I have now replaced them with have been so good that I simply could never ask for more.

I've never felt I needed more grip. On the road in the wet people are constantly surprised, in the dry you would have to be driving like a complete imbecile (or driving very badly) to need more traction .

On the track they got so sticky that I was gaining on 911s wearing toyo R888s and I can still say will full confidence that I have never yet got the most out of the available grip from my car.

Yes you can get better and more grip is rarely a bad thing but as someone who owns my 911 only for its performance, I would find it pretty hard to justify the need for any more.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluebird911 wrote:
Hi westy,

Your Porsche is a 'premium' product and your argument seems to suggest against Porsche ownership as you will rarely exploit the full performance capability of your car.

With the speed and forces that a Porsche is ablle to generate in tyres, not to mention emergency manouvres, it doesn't make sense to compromise on the 4 contact patches on the road.


Now, I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, but that (above) is a load of nonsense. Sorry, don't mean to be rude.

If you exploit the full capability of a 996 on the road then you'll be breaking every law out there. I'm not just talking about a 'bit' of speeding, I'm talking about reckless driving. You can't even take a 996 to half it's max speed without breaking the law.

If you go round corners at any where near the limit of traction you'd be approaching oncoming traffic at hugely dangerous speeds (dangerous / inconsiderate for other people).

We are talking here about tyres for everyday driving, not the track.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what tyres I've got on mine, I think they might be Bridgestone.

But I do know you should never compromise on a digestive. Has to be McVities.

Every time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgey wrote:
Bluebird911 wrote:
Hi westy,

Your Porsche is a 'premium' product and your argument seems to suggest against Porsche ownership as you will rarely exploit the full performance capability of your car.

With the speed and forces that a Porsche is ablle to generate in tyres, not to mention emergency manouvres, it doesn't make sense to compromise on the 4 contact patches on the road.


Now, I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, but that (above) is a load of nonsense. Sorry, don't mean to be rude.

If you exploit the full capability of a 996 on the road then you'll be breaking every law out there. I'm not just talking about a 'bit' of speeding, I'm talking about reckless driving. You can't even take a 996 to half it's max speed without breaking the law.

If you go round corners at any where near the limit of traction you'd be approaching oncoming traffic at hugely dangerous speeds (dangerous / inconsiderate for other people).

We are talking here about tyres for everyday driving, not the track.


Everyday driving includes braking, water soaked motorways, understeer and oversteer. Speak to anyone who's been on a driving handling course that teaches how to handle these things and they'll tell you how much difference a tyre makes in everyday low speed situations.

I think what Bluebird was really saying is the contact area of 4 tyres is so small and yet so crucial...why compromise when you have a Porsche, and I'll add, not least because of its rear engine layout, its sensitivity to set up, and its ability to bite very hard in adverse conditions.

You can be pootling round a roundabout and apply throttle at just the wrong time, with an adverse camber on a wet road etc and find yourself loosing grip and having an accident. Hitting standing water on a m'way at any speed gives me the shivers and I always appreciate having 4 matching tyres that are designed to perform so my risk is managed as much as possible. Performance tyres are not just for high speed.

I have supplied customers Falkens which they've been happy with, but the vast majority enjoy the peace of mind that they've fitted the best they can for their budget, like Conti, Bridgestone or Michelin. The cost difference is really not that significant and could be easily be recouped by shopping around for servicing, oil, insurance etc or just cutting back on one or two fancy meals.

I am not saying dont touch cheaper brands etc, I'm just going on feedback, experience and some assessments done by 911 owners here who've been a little bit concerned by some of their characteristics in quite ordinary scenarios.

At least Porsche don't insist on fitting runflats like BMW do which cracks wheels and gives the most uncomfortable ride at inflated prices. I've just suggested and fitted a set of Uniroyal Rainsport 2's for a customer and am keen to hear how they get on.

I dont want to be a brand snob but equally I do value quality brands with heritage and proven history. Having said that I really cannot justify buying Heinz beans currently and have had to settle for Morrisons own label. I mean, really, how can they justify the differential. It comes down to a lot of hot air Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgey wrote:
Bluebird911 wrote:
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Your Porsche is a 'premium' product ... it doesn't make sense to compromise on the 4 contact patches on the road.


Now, I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, but that (above) is a load of nonsense. Sorry, don't mean to be rude.

If you exploit the full capability of a 996 on the road then you'll be breaking every law out there. I'm not just talking about a 'bit' of speeding, I'm talking about reckless driving. You can't even take a 996 to half it's max speed without breaking the law.

If you go round corners at any where near the limit of traction you'd be approaching oncoming traffic at hugely dangerous speeds (dangerous / inconsiderate for other people).

We are talking here about tyres for everyday driving, not the track.


I'm afraid you are arguing for the sake of it though. If the point is to stay within the speed limit for everyday driving, then why would you buy a 911? Surely an MX5, or a 1.6 Golf would do? Bluebird said you won't explore the full performance with 2nd rated tyres, he also said the car is capable of much more in different situations should you need it. I don't think you can criticise him for that. And I quite agree with him. It is like making a home TV setup with the best display but cheap speakers because everyday TV viewing won't utilise the sound. I prefer mine to deliver good sound too when I occasionally watch a movie.

Personally, I've had Falken 912s on other car. They are hard, noisy and not good in the wet, but they are hard wearing and performs well in the dry. I'd rather have the old Toyo T1-R which wears really fast but miles better in the wet. I know it is different model, tyre size and car, but I'll need a LOT of convincing to fit a set of Falkens for my 996. On the other hand, some tyres of Hankook, UniRoyal have received general good feedbacks and I would consider them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

humps wrote:
...I've had Falken 912s on other car.

I know it is different model, tyre size and car, but I'll need a LOT of convincing to fit a set of Falkens for my 996.


Rolling Eyes

I had Michelin tyres on my 2CV, and that car was awful in all respects. Therefore PS2s are awful as well.
 
  
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