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Kat1
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:02 am    Post subject: 13 years of 993 ownership in numbers (revised 01 Nov 2017) Reply with quote

Some numbers to quantify the 12 years of ownership of my C4. It might be of interest to any one thinking of purchasing a 993.
Fuel, insurance, Mot and VED costs have not been included.

It should also be appreciated that all parts have been fitted by me at home so there is no labour included.

Date of purchase:- 23 Sept 2004
No of years owned:- 12

Mileage on purchase:- 45027
Current mileage:- 110143
Total mileage since purchase:- 65116
Average yearly mileage:- 5426
Lowest yearly mileage:- 1273 2011/12
Highest yearly mileage:- 10927 2004/5

Parts cost during ownership:- £13253.49
Labour cost during ownership:- £0 - All labour carried out by myself
Average parts cost per annum :- £1104.46
Average parts cost per mile:- £0.204
Average tyre cost per mile:- £0.032

Cost of modifications to standard specification:- £15.00 - Replace cassette storage with a tray.
Largest single item cost:- £1239.62- Shocks and suspension set up by CoG in 2010

No of evaporators fitted:- 2
No of batteries fitted:- 3 - Routine replacement every five years
No of clutches fitted:- 0 - Will need doing soon - it is stiff to operate
No of rear discs sets fitted :-3 - It's the corrosion thats them every time - now I am getting them skimmed.

No of sets of rear tyres fitted :- 4 - 6.0mm left on current set
No of sets of front tyre fitted :- 3 - 4.5 mm left on current set
No of “in journey” breakdowns requiring recovery :- 1 - Alternator failure

993 ownership is not all about the numbers but sometimes it is good to know.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great informative post.

12 years ownership from a 45,000 miler, £13253.49 in parts. Hats off to you for being able to do the labour yourself.

What do you reckon the labour cost would have been at approx £100 per hour inc vat? (like wot the majority of owners have to pay).

A 'guess' will suffice Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who services your car?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£100/hr... Floor

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

labour is astronomical, its a smokescreen, who checks the hourly rate, answer, they do. I reckon 200 quid an hour is commonplace but you just don't know it. forget the advertised rate, its just a number. And before anyone gets on their high horse, I speak from experience, not hot air.

I would love to be able to do what the op did. maybe I could if I had a ramp or pit.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£55 per hour, + Vat up North Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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£55 per hour, + Vat up North Grin


Think I'm paying £60 +vat. Worth driving north if you have a big job planned Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No rose tinted specs on this thread. The OP was in spuds deep worship
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porsche Specialist £60/hr tops in the North East.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 12 years of 993 ownership in numbers Reply with quote

Kat1 wrote:

Largest single item cost:- £1239.62- Shocks and suspension set up by CoG in 2010
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Hi-
What exactly did you get for £1239 ?
I'm off to COG soon......
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
What do you reckon the labour cost would have been


I have just fired up the spreadsheet and will get back to you with an estimate in due course.

carkid wrote:
What exactly did you get for £1239 ?
I'm off to COG soon......


Bilsteins all round, corner weights adjust, suspension set up and a chance to see the superb detail and attention of Chris's work.

I also had my overalls on and assisted with the fitting of the shocks.

I suspect it will cost you a bit more as costs will no doubt have increased in the last six years.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No of evaporators fitted:- 2

Thats a lot of labour even doing the work yourself at home.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No of evaporators fitted:- 2

Thats a lot of labour even doing the work yourself at home.


The first time (Aug 2005) it took about 11 hours by the second time (March 2016) it took about 8 hours.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:

What do you reckon the labour cost would have been at approx £100 per hour inc vat? (like wot the majority of owners have to pay).


I estimate that it would have taken an experienced 993 mechanic some 160 hrs to fit these parts. It took me longer!

At £100 per hour its £16k but I think £60 per hour which takes into account regional variations and the passage of time is more realistic and comes to £9.6k

I also did a front end and side respray in 2011 which I estimate took an additional 40 hours and £269 of "paint" consumables plus numerous Porsche parts.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post Kat' thumbsup
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kat1 wrote:
I estimate that it would have taken an experienced 993 mechanic some 160 hrs to fit these parts. It took me longer!


Thanks for the reply. Again, hats off to you.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a great post.

BUT........

to finish it off and upset some Grin

What did you pay for it and what is it worth now ?

ps you cannot borrow my rose tinted glasses, Zingari is trying them on (I know they won't fit but he insisted)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To all you Northerners who pay less labour charges than us Southerners:

We get to drive our cars more in the sun Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
To all you Northerners who pay less labour charges than us Southerners:

We get to drive our cars more in the sun Very Happy


But we don't get stuck in traffic and live in the 4k+ rpm zone. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post Kevin, I love the fact you have got stuck in and maintained the car yourself hats off to you.

'Cost of modifications to standard specification:- £15.00 - Replace cassette storage with a tray.'

I do think you've skimped on mods though Grin

I think you should quadruple the mod spend and fit an engine tidy strip Thumb
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