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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

917k wrote:
EllisO wrote:
Everybody seems to have missed an important detail - it's the first 911 with a 911 badge since the 911SC.



964 celebration was badged as a 911


and so was the Porsche 911 [996] Carrera Coupe 40th Anniversary Model

although this car now explains this story... http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=45594
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I don't think anyone has pointed it out yet - the eye-watering price is down in part to the entire interior being a showcase for the Exclusive department. If you specced all of the possible exclusive trim pieces you can push the price of any Porker many thousands over book price.

So it is mad, but for all practical purposes the price is just consistent with throwing the options book at a 911 with (reckless) conviction Surprised

Most disturbing of all - for some reason I think I actually rather like it. wack

I doubt that many will be seen in the UK though.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EllisO wrote:
Everybody seems to have missed an important detail - it's the first 911 with a 911 badge since the 911SC.

presumably this powerhike will be available as a power kit?


The 993 GT2 had '911' badging on it too. The powerhike appears to be the Powerkit offered to the Gen 2 997 S models (their outputs are also 408bhp).

Other than that, absolutely love the car but do agree it is over-priced.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

might have to get that body kit for my 997 Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it!

Sure it looks well , but I think Porsche have missed a trick here.
They point to the 2.7RS as if it's got the same DNA but this couldn't be further from the truth..
This ain't going to be a drivers car or an enthusiasts car , it's got more kit in it when it should have actually gone on a weight loss programme , the engine should have less power for more accessable raod going / track fun rather than the usual more and more (and it should be a track honed lump , ie fully dry sumped) and I would have thought a simpler suspension set up would have made for much more of a seat of the pants drive. The car should be smaller rather than bigger (AKA 4S rear)
And all this should have cost less , not nearly 50% more .. For a bloody shed load of exclusive programme bits that just make the car even heavier! nooo

Please Porsche , make us a real CS for heavens sakes!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't get it!

Sure it looks well , but I think Porsche have missed a trick here.
They point to the 2.7RS as if it's got the same DNA but this couldn't be further from the truth..!



I wonder if they are confusing their ducktails ?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grin

spot on and razor sharp!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ballcock wrote:
I don't get it!

Sure it looks well , but I think Porsche have missed a trick here.
They point to the 2.7RS as if it's got the same DNA but this couldn't be further from the truth..
This ain't going to be a drivers car or an enthusiasts car , it's got more kit in it when it should have actually gone on a weight loss programme , the engine should have less power for more accessable raod going / track fun rather than the usual more and more (and it should be a track honed lump , ie fully dry sumped) and I would have thought a simpler suspension set up would have made for much more of a seat of the pants drive. The car should be smaller rather than bigger (AKA 4S rear)
And all this should have cost less , not nearly 50% more .. For a bloody shed load of exclusive programme bits that just make the car even heavier! nooo

Please Porsche , make us a real CS for heavens sakes!


I agree with you but the trouble is it won't cost less if they put a dry sumped engine in it. The only NA one they have available is from the GT3 and that will cost waaaay more than a Carrera S engine with powerkit.

Moreover this isn't a CS in any shape or form its pure maketing and very successful it will be too. Personally this car does nothing for me - it looks very nice but I certainly don't want one.

As I'm sure you remember we had the discussion over on PH a while back over the ideal "CS" spec. As I recall it was something like:

- narrow body shell
- RWD
- no sunroof
- manual windows (if available)
- 3.6 DFI engine
- two bucket seats
- light 18 inch wheels (I voted for the Carrera 5 spokes ... )
- manual gearbox
- LSD
- Sports (-20mm) lowered suspension
- no hydraulic bonnet or engine struts (just thin rods)
- vinyl badging (a la RS)
- RS style plain door cards/door pulls
- minimal interior carpeting
- optional: cage; air con

With luck it would be 100kg less than a typical 997 Carrera and go like stink.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember Tertius..

I agree a gt1 block would heft the price up , but look at the price of this car compared to even the RS!

To be fair I'd be happy with a 3.6 DFI in this one (no Intermediate shaft bearing !) , but as you say , Porsche are about marketing and profit , not enthusiasm for the sporting marque. It would be interesting if they found themselves with collapsing sales , would they suddenly consider the enthusiast market again and strip out a special selling it cheaper (like they've done in the past) aka 964 rs America?
.. I know this will never happen while Porsche remains a mass producer of prestige GT cars , but you never know the way things will go for the company in the next few years what with the VW upheaval..
I would not be sad to see that niche enthusiast sports car manufacturer of old returning to the market.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris W wrote:
Alwasy thought they should do something like this, would love to see a GT3RS WITHOUT big spoiler, that wide end reminiscent of the supersport/widebody specias we love.

Liking the Fuchs style wheels.

As others say price is stupid, may as well DIY.


SNAP - just what I was thinking - now I know what my 997 will look like - (when I get it!!)


DIY in 2010 - 30k for a 997S2 plus 1k for the ducktail spoiler. That leaves you with 100k for engine and suspension mods.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this car is very cool indeed, but its only a carrera afterall, and pricing it as the top of the line Porsche (price tag is more than a GT2) is something I find it puzzling... If anything it should even be priced lower than the Turbo, maybe somewhere between the 2 GT3s...marketing glitch??
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still couldn't afford it if it was half the price! Sad
Still think it looks absolutly stunning and if i win the lottery tonight i'll let you all have a closer look at it Very Happy
Don't actually play the lottery so don't get too exicted guys
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checked out the Porsche UK website and I quote
"A car like no other before it. A car the likes of which will never be seen again" Floor Yeah, right until the 998/999 whatever Sport Classic...
But still gonna email them and find out how much for a set of those rims Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what's all this tosh "Unique Yourself"?? I thought unique meant one of a kind and aren't we all unique, even identical twins? A strap line more in keeping with the Japanese...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a minor point, 997s are available to option on the configurator with just "911" script instead of Carerra or Carerra 4S etc
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really taken with this car. I really do like it. Euro Lottery for me this week...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart wrote:
Another pic, beautiful arse... Thumb


Take an Early 997 C2S in white

Add Sport Classic front bumper, side skirts, rear bumper, rear lights rear ducktail wing and the double stripe down the middle, plus those alloys.... could cost upto £10k

a Sport Classic at least from the outside for a third of the price ?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sundeep wrote:

Take an Early 997 C2S in white

Add Sport Classic front bumper, side skirts, rear bumper, rear lights rear ducktail wing and the double stripe down the middle, plus those alloys.... could cost upto £10k

a Sport Classic at least from the outside for a third of the price ?


Yup, http://www.jacquemond.com/indexuk2.htm

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