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Chris W
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Really costly mistake today Reply with quote

Anyone hazard a guess at what I did today and how much its going to cost to fix? Embarassed Embarassed frustrated Its going to cost lots and lots and was a really stupid mistake. Involves my company car thankfully not the 911.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Filled up with petrol in ya 'D? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Filled up with petrol in ya 'D? Confused


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Hazard a guess how much - I am gobsmacked!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't tell me you fired it up? Surprised

In which case a HUGE figure. I'd guess about £2k?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drove it about 500 yds then it started missing a few beats and I stopped immediately...on a major busstop which was not very funny with those poxy 18m things coming every 2 minutes for 1.5hrs....I was getting evils from just about everyone.

£2k...nope keep going
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear... Sad

A numptie from the Highways Agency did this in a Discovery and drove it til it stopped - £7500 bill followed.

Then, 9 months later, the same driver did the same thing again in the same car - another £7,500!!!!

Now you know why they need so many speed cameras... Wink
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not calling you a numptie by the way Chris Embarassed

Well, not unless you've also done it before of course... Laughing Laughing
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 grand?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wattie wrote:
Not calling you a numptie by the way Chris Embarassed

Well, not unless you've also done it before of course... Laughing Laughing


Never done it before but I feel like a complete plank to be honest....could have said a 'firend' but I though you could all do with a laugh so please have one on me. Trouble is I was thinking I'll put the good stuff in now they do this super diesel variants. Hadnt eaten all day and was totally thinking about work. Apparently it really is very common so please do remind people so they understand how bloody expensive a mistake it is!

Anyway...as Mastercard would put it, here's the bill so far:

Full tank of high grade unwanted fuel...£70
Breaking down on a West London High St bus stop...priceless
1.5 hr wait for tow truck wait...priceless
1.5 hr Taxi back to the office ...£50
Estimate cost from BMW....at least £4k possibly £5k!!

Apparently some insurers do pay out on this so will find out tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris W wrote:


Apparently some insurers do pay out on this so will find out tomorrow.


Yep, most do... Assuming you didn't do it deliberately it must therefore have been an accident - and that's what you have insurance for isn't it? Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps use some of the ideas from that old Volkswagen advert to stop you doing it again food food
Anyway commiserations. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why running cars on heating oil should be banned frustrated
 
  
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Rodders
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a confession to make Embarassed


I did this to my Taxi 2 weeks ago Embarassed

luckily for me I A) didn't start it up as I realised my mistake at the pump and B) all it cost me was £200 including the wasted fuel..........and 2 hours of not earning............the recovery company managed to get me back on the road by 4am after me doing this at 2am
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's excellent service at that time of night Rodders
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did this last year, in a Pug 206 1.4HDI. Drove 12 miles after I filled up with petrol then the thing died.
RAC towed me to a garage who emptied the tank of Petrol refilled it with Diesel and its been fine since.
The deal seems to be the desiel fuel lubes the High pressure pump and without the lube the pump fails (and the pump is expensive).
But I think there is alot of scare mongering about the impact of Petrol in a diesel especially if you haven't run it for miles on the Petrol.
The garage that sorted me out said this, BMW and Merc (even more expensive fixed price quote to fix) I believe have this fixed pricing approach to the problem which is very much worse case - they replace everything as a matter of course.

Now diesel in a petrol that is expensive bunged up injectors etc.. but the bigger filling nozzle on diesel pumps should prevent you doing that.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vlad wrote:
I did this last year, in a Pug 206 1.4HDI. Drove 12 miles after I filled up with petrol then the thing died.
RAC towed me to a garage who emptied the tank of Petrol refilled it with Diesel and its been fine since.
The deal seems to be the desiel fuel lubes the High pressure pump and without the lube the pump fails (and the pump is expensive).
But I think there is alot of scare mongering about the impact of Petrol in a diesel especially if you haven't run it for miles on the Petrol.
The garage that sorted me out said this, BMW and Merc (even more expensive fixed price quote to fix) I believe have this fixed pricing approach to the problem which is very much worse case - they replace everything as a matter of course.

Now diesel in a petrol that is expensive bunged up injectors etc.. but the bigger filling nozzle on diesel pumps should prevent you doing that.


I dont know if that car is a Turbo and whether thsi makes any difference?? From my very limited understadning yes the High Pressure Pump seems to be a big factor. Trouble seems to be that BMW cannot guarantee it will be able to properly fix without as you say replacing everything in the fuel system, and as the car is still under warranty it should really be 100% right. Trouble is you never know how long it'll be before something in the system fails. It prematurely ages all the seals causing them to perish and also fine swarf from unlubed parts gets into the system and plays havoc. To be honest on a high power 3 ltr engine its a bit like playing russian roulette. I think its 1.5 days labour which makes up 50% of the cost.

Rodders - shame to hear of your confession, I hope all stays well. As you say it hits your earnings with the car off the road.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pugs a turbo diesel - but I agree with a higher value motor and one that's still under warranty its probably better to be safe than sorry.
 
  
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Rodders
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seagull wrote:
That's excellent service at that time of night Rodders


it was actually a contractor for the AA,I was quoted £163.99 to do it in the morning(normal working hours) but as i was being recovered the recovery guy told me that he's seen his "controller" frequently empty a tank in the early hours..........one phone call later I struck a deal with the guy telling him to charge me the agreed fee and I'd add a wee cash sweetener if he could get me back on the road by 4am(busiest time of the morning for me as all the red-eye airport runs start just after 4am)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting. My friend's wife borrowed his 5 series diesel and filled it up with petrol and it was driven about 2 miles, before she pulled over when she realised it wasn't driving properly. (to be fair, it was his dad that had made the mistake of putting petrol in the diesel, not his wife!!).

However, although it was under warranty, they just checked something (apparently, it's worse to put diesel in a petrol....unless, I've got confused and it's the other way around...something about damaging the fuel tank).

Anyway, BMW did a check to see how far it had gone through the system and fortunately, it only needed a complete clean through, so something like £500, rather than the amount you've been quoted.

I can double check if he put diesel in his petrol 5 series, or the other way around, but I'm 99% sure he has a diesel BMW.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm pretty sure its the other way round...............put diesel in a petrol and you'll get rough running/007 smokescreen til its burnt off,whereas petrol in diesel ruins the fuel pump and can sometimes make the entire fuel system fubar'd

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/08/27/mfdies27.xml
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