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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: 997 shift mech in a 996 GT3 Reply with quote

Ok guys, installed and fitted this part (997 424 010 00) into my 2003 GT3.

I would suggest those fitting a shifter look at the instruction the B&M guys put together (http://www.bmracing.com/media/products/pdf/67.pdf) as this gives quite a good series of instructions to follow.....with the important pictures!

The first thing to note is the construction of the 997 part over the 996, gone is the white plastic pivot point replaced with a black plastic reinforced by the metal plate (below) what you can't see clearly in this picture is that Porsche have raised the pivot for the vertical movement above the height of the horizontal.


Beneath all of this you can see Porsche have also straighted up the angles of the cables, IIRC they were tilted downwards now they are flat, this alone should smooth things out.

People have asked about alignment. There's a green alignment tool included with the kit (just make sure the car's in neutral before removing everything) which locks the lever in the neutral position and it's then a task of slipping in the cables.

On the subject of the cables, I marked my cables when I tried the B&M SSK (awful on GT3, far too short and painful!) so I was a little surprised to see that the markings didn't align to the new alignment, one notch vertical, 3 notches on the horizontal. So I must assume that the geometry of the 997 part is that little bit different.

So how does it feel? Well I haven't tried it yet, trying to avoid the placebo effect of a new part! The trouble is every time I replaced a shifter in the past they feel great for a week or so then it slowly feels crappy. The B&M felt great initially but I fell out with it over the next 3-4 weeks, then I replaced it with a standard 996 one, felt great but then started to feel too much like there was some obstruction.

I'll let you guys know my thought over the coming weeks!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Damian,

Right, stooopid end-of-day question... [clearsthroat]

Which part is your new shifter?...the top black one, or the lower blue one? The part number you mention matches the black item, so guessing this is you new 997 unit. Is this a standard Carrera-type 997 item or a stock (non short shift) 997 GT3 jobbie?

If so, what is the blue shifter? (cant quite make out the 997 xxxx part number)...is that a 997 GT3 Short Shift (ie the tequipment item)

Sorry if this is a dumass question...been "one of those days"!!! Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damian,

This is an interesting mod. Couple of Qs:

1) How much is the part?

2) How long did it take to install?

3) What's the build quality like?

4) How much shorter is the throw of the 997SSK compared to the standard 996?

My main concern with the OEM 996 shift is that it was made of plastic and I've seen it fail (ie, disintegrate) at the worst time on track. Is the 997 unit any better than the 996 unit?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spenny_B wrote:
Hi Damian,

Right, stooopid end-of-day question... [clearsthroat]

Which part is your new shifter?...the top black one, or the lower blue one? The part number you mention matches the black item, so guessing this is you new 997 unit. Is this a standard Carrera-type 997 item or a stock (non short shift) 997 GT3 jobbie?

If so, what is the blue shifter? (cant quite make out the 997 xxxx part number)...is that a 997 GT3 Short Shift (ie the tequipment item)

Sorry if this is a dumass question...been "one of those days"!!! Confused
Ta
S



Ooops, not to worry...just seen your captions which tells me which is which.

So, am i right in thinking you've just installed a standard 997 shifter (ie non short shift?)....judging by the part numbers you mention and those in the pic....
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spenny_B wrote:
Hi Damian,

Right, stooopid end-of-day question... [clearsthroat]

Which part is your new shifter?...the top black one, or the lower blue one? The part number you mention matches the black item, so guessing this is you new 997 unit. Is this a standard Carrera-type 997 item or a stock (non short shift) 997 GT3 jobbie?

If so, what is the blue shifter? (cant quite make out the 997 xxxx part number)...is that a 997 GT3 Short Shift (ie the tequipment item)

Sorry if this is a dumass question...been "one of those days"!!! Confused
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Hi Spencer,

The part I installed is the black, standard 997 part (997 424 010 00)

The blue one is 997 424 983 00, that's the 'upgrade' 997 short shift, I suppose it could be quite nice if we had a Aisin gearbox Smile

I didn't go for the short one, anyone who tried any short shift in a 996 GT3 will know how 'tricky' (read: stiff and awkward) they can be.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PolarExpress wrote:
Damian,

This is an interesting mod. Couple of Qs:

1) How much is the part? £120-130 at your OPC

2) How long did it take to install? Me, 25-30mins, but I have done it before

3) What's the build quality like? Greatly improved, metal reinforced plastic, strengthers in the cradle itself

4) How much shorter is the throw of the 997SSK compared to the standard 996? Ade, it's the standard 997, not a SSK, but it appears to be shorter, although that might just be the changed geometry

My main concern with the OEM 996 shift is that it was made of plastic and I've seen it fail (ie, disintegrate) at the worst time on track. Is the 997 unit any better than the 996 unit? The plastic joints that attach the lever to the cables are still there I'm afraid, now do you get the Cup 'bits' or the Evoms replacements that's another issue!

 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damian wrote:
Spenny_B wrote:
Hi Damian,

Right, stooopid end-of-day question... [clearsthroat]

Which part is your new shifter?...the top black one, or the lower blue one? The part number you mention matches the black item, so guessing this is you new 997 unit. Is this a standard Carrera-type 997 item or a stock (non short shift) 997 GT3 jobbie?

If so, what is the blue shifter? (cant quite make out the 997 xxxx part number)...is that a 997 GT3 Short Shift (ie the tequipment item)

Sorry if this is a dumass question...been "one of those days"!!! Confused
Ta
S


Hi Spencer,

The part I installed is the black, standard 997 part (997 424 010 00)

The blue one is 997 424 983 00, that's the 'upgrade' 997 short shift, I suppose it could be quite nice if we had a Aisin gearbox Smile

I didn't go for the short one, anyone who tried any short shift in a 996 GT3 will know how 'tricky' (read: stiff and awkward) they can be.

Damian


Ahhhh, I see...with you now!...cheers for the clarification. Just need to know if you reckon its better now!

S
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damian wrote:
PolarExpress wrote:
Damian,

This is an interesting mod. Couple of Qs:

1) How much is the part? £120-130 at your OPC

2) How long did it take to install? Me, 25-30mins, but I have done it before

3) What's the build quality like? Greatly improved, metal reinforced plastic, strengthers in the cradle itself

4) How much shorter is the throw of the 997SSK compared to the standard 996? Ade, it's the standard 997, not a SSK, but it appears to be shorter, although that might just be the changed geometry

My main concern with the OEM 996 shift is that it was made of plastic and I've seen it fail (ie, disintegrate) at the worst time on track. Is the 997 unit any better than the 996 unit? The plastic joints that attach the lever to the cables are still there I'm afraid, now do you get the Cup 'bits' or the Evoms replacements that's another issue!



Cheers D! Smile

(where's that banghead smiley regarding the plastic cable joints... Mad )
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice mod, be interesting to see how you rate the shift mech over time, as I always thought the 996 gear shift was a tad long, although the shirt-shifters i have seen do make it too short ?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sundeep wrote:
Nice mod, be interesting to see how you rate the shift mech over time, as I always thought the 996 gear shift was a tad long, although the shirt-shifters i have seen do make it too short ?

Very Happy


Drove her for a couple of hours today, open road and in traffic around Leamington and Stratford and it's definitely shorter. It's not a B&M/Porsche short-shift short (ie. 30%) I'd say it's 10% (roughly) shorter than before but the mechanism is more precise, certainly box-shift changes are easier because of the precise nature. It doesn't however make the changes like a 'knife through butter', it's still advisable to dwell in neutral before engaging the next gear...as the American's like to call it a 'Heartbeat change' Confused
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting 1st impressions

but double D clutching :shock:
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sundeep wrote:
Nice mod, be interesting to see how you rate the shift mech over time, as I always thought the 996 gear shift was a tad long, although the shirt-shifters i have seen do make it too short ?

Very Happy


Have you ever tried the Manthey SSK? I love the precision of it. It's -23%, so it seems to be somewhere in between the 997 and the B&M. But the all-ally construction gives it a real rifle bolt action.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sundeep wrote:
interesting 1st impressions

but double D clutching :shock:


I'm not double de-clutching, just slowing down the change Wink

Yes, you can smash it through as you would a bolt-action rifle but have some care for those plastic connectors Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm seriously thinking about fitting Mantheys SSK, I've got the Porsche SSK fitted at the moment and if I try to shift 2nd to 3rd too quickly it just doesn't happen, all the others are fine, even 4th down to 3rd is ok. It feels "worn" if that's the right word. I know Ade has been raving about the all alloy construction of the Manthey item, so I think I will have to put the wallet in gear.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Max Bowler wrote:
I'm seriously thinking about fitting Mantheys SSK, I've got the Porsche SSK fitted at the moment and if I try to shift 2nd to 3rd too quickly it just doesn't happen, all the others are fine, even 4th down to 3rd is ok. It feels "worn" if that's the right word. I know Ade has been raving about the all alloy construction of the Manthey item, so I think I will have to put the wallet in gear.

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Max, if you are having difficulty changing between 2nd and 3rd, your problem is almost certainly worn synchros. I would recommend investigating replacing the synchros and having the cup cables installed at the same time. Cheers-
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ade, if I was in the UK it wouldn't be a problem, but out here, I pretty much have to do everything myself, gearlinkage I can sort, I'm afraid with no garage, synchros are beyond my limits.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damian, what do you think of the change? is this worth doing? I have always found my RS to have a long throw!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Damian, what do you think of the change? is this worth doing? I have always found my RS to have a long throw!


It's shorter, definitely feels more precise. Overall....so far I quite like it, with Cup gear cables it should be closer to 100% satisfaction Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[cough] Group buy on Cup cables & installation??[/cough]

Damian, seems to be a fair few people here and on RennList that are taking an interest in the gearlinkage project. Whaddya reckon?

Just spoke to Fearnsport - the cost of Cup cables is pretty much fixed from Porsche, but John did say that a "Cup Cable installation day" for a group was do-able. No idea of pricing yet, need to judge interest first.

Maybe some of the Carrera/TT boys would be interested as well?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spenny_B wrote:
[cough] Group buy on Cup cables & installation??[/cough]

Damian, seems to be a fair few people here and on RennList that are taking an interest in the gearlinkage project. Whaddya reckon?

Just spoke to Fearnsport - the cost of Cup cables is pretty much fixed from Porsche, but John did say that a "Cup Cable installation day" for a group was do-able. No idea of pricing yet, need to judge interest first.

Maybe some of the Carrera/TT boys would be interested as well?


Add me to the list then matey Wink
 
  
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