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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Maxie, will do

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackday insurance Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mechanically all you can do ist try and make sure your cars in the best shape you can then the rest is just down to luck i suppose ,,

other mental check list i do is these basics

Helmet, gloves, boots

Fire extinguisher
Glass brake hammer/seat belt cutter ,
4 point Harness
fuel can , some sort of space saver wheel,
small tool kit with sockets, spanners, metal zip ties, gaffer tape , liquid metal putty,
rope, blow torch brazzing rods , screws , random nuts and bolts,5L water,
first aid kit , EU AA cover , EU health card,

Insert the towing eyes to bumpers with a sticker that says TOW,
Uprgade as a minimum brake pads and fluid ,

You can go on and on but there my basics
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Greg

Are u an ex Seloc member, had a number of lotus cars and some great track days.
Totally loving the 997 though.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Track day Prep Reply with quote

GregR1 wrote:
Hi guys

Posted this query up in the trackday section but got surprisingly few responses. I have done a lot of track days in the past but I'm taking the 997 on a Euro jaunt next year to Spa and Zolder. I'm doing a mental checklist of all the things I need to do pre-trip to make sure I don't come a cropper mechanically.

The car has just had a major service and is about to get the coil packs, RMS replaced and a new clutch. Tyres will be replaced (road rubber rather than extra sticky track rubber) shortly and the front suspension was overhauled 12 months ago. Any other potential weaknesses that will be shown up by a long trip to Europe and two days of thrashing? Obviously I'll have oil, brake fluid and pads, but should the (new, OEM) discs manage to hack it?

Thanks in advance - looking forward to doing it in a car with aircon this year rather than the trip to Le Mans and Dijon in an Elise this year!

Greg.


Greg, your original title was misleading since you just quoted a few track, which is why it may have been missed.

I've updated your title to your updated title.

have a read of this thread http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=31565 a useful guide for track dayers

and here a few circuit reviews http://911uk.com/viewforum.php?f=30
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:50 pm    Post subject: Novice Track Day Reply with quote

Hi All
Just booked myself in for a novice track day at Cadwell in a couple of weeks.
( With instructor ). Have any of you guys got any advice/tips on the subject.
I'm not looking to do fantastic lap times, impress anyone etc, just gain some good experience of the car. Also I don't want to kill the car.
I run a 997.1 C4s ...tip!
Any knowledgable advice or comments greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a first novice day the best tips are to get some instruction (which you are), drive safe and have fun. Always do a cooling down lap on your way back in and be aware of tyre pressures.

With pressures, check them when you get in after each session (as you get better through the day they may need more air taken out) and bleed them down to whatever the recommended cold pressure for your car is. Work them up to temperature gradually over the first couple of laps of your next session before leaning on them. At the end of the day you must make sure to put that air back in (with the compressor or the air line at a nearby garage). They probably aren't going to be cool, so over-pressure them a bit as they will cool further on the drive home.

Tyre pressures are lesson 1 for tracking a 911. If the pressure gets too high while driving at the corner speeds that you can achieve on track, the contact patch becomes convex, the centre of the tread overheats and your grip goes away as the rubber starts to melt. Simply being aware of pressures means that this problem is avoided, the handling remains consistent and you don't unduly knacker the tyres. Obviously if you are driving Miss Daisy that won't happen, but if you are exploiting the car to its proper fun potential then you are going to be surprised at how pronounced the effect can be.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..All of the above, plus a couple of extra chestnuts....

Pretty obvious really..remove all 'moveable items' in your car...phone, wallet,
if you have an 'over mat' on top of your fitted mats, get rid of it..as it's
potentially quite lethal (I know).
When you've cooled down and are now stationary back in the paddock or
garage, do not put your handbrake on..just switch off and leave the car in
gear. Easy one to forget, as you automatically put the handbrake on...if you
do forget, and you were attempting to break the lap record only 5 mins
earlier, you will likely fuse your pads to the discs as the heat generated here
can be quite staggering. Have fun, hopefully in the sun ! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider insurance, especially at somewhere like Cadwell where run off is minimal. Unless you can afford to write the car off, of course.

That's not necessarily to protect against you doing something silly, but more to protect against others doing something silly into your car. It can happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change your oil and filter before going and make sure your brakes are in good condition, tyres also. Above all, just have fun and report back Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be put off by other traffic flying past you or trying to 'get the 911'. Cadwell is small and tight and really ideal for small/medium sized cars. I had a blast there in my Clio Trophy.

I had not driven on track for a while and found it quite hard to keep pace when I first started but after some instruction realised my natural line was all wrong. Some corners exit speed is more important than correct line. After being coached I was up with the faster traffic.

Have fun and don't push it too hard at the end. The 997 is a heavy car for that circuit but I'm sure it will cope ok if not pushed too hard for a long time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
When you've cooled down and are now stationary back in the paddock or
garage, do not put your handbrake on..just switch off and leave the car in
gear. Easy one to forget, as you automatically put the handbrake on...if you
do forget, and you were attempting to break the lap record only 5 mins
earlier, you will likely fuse your pads to the discs as the heat generated here
can be quite staggering.


Brake shoes, not pads are operated by the handbrake. Good advice though.

As you were...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
For a first novice day the best tips are to get some instruction (which you are), drive safe and have fun. Always do a cooling down lap on your way back in and be aware of tyre pressures.

With pressures, check them when you get in after each session (as you get better through the day they may need more air taken out) and bleed them down to whatever the recommended cold pressure for your car is. Work them up to temperature gradually over the first couple of laps of your next session before leaning on them. At the end of the day you must make sure to put that air back in (with the compressor or the air line at a nearby garage). They probably aren't going to be cool, so over-pressure them a bit as they will cool further on the drive home.

Tyre pressures are lesson 1 for tracking a 911. If the pressure gets too high while driving at the corner speeds that you can achieve on track, the contact patch becomes convex, the centre of the tread overheats and your grip goes away as the rubber starts to melt. Simply being aware of pressures means that this problem is avoided, the handling remains consistent and you don't unduly knacker the tyres. Obviously if you are driving Miss Daisy that won't happen, but if you are exploiting the car to its proper fun potential then you are going to be surprised at how pronounced the effect can be.

Enjoy Thumb


Some years ago I had a lesson from 'Don Palmer' who did a few laps in my 996 C2. It was at Bedford (fast open) and he advised the same. In the end my pressures were about 18 PSI but the car was predictable and had no problems chasing and taking out the GT3s.. alas with Don driving and not myself.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try and get the instructor as early in the day as possible, (he will make a massive difference to your track time/enjoyment). Don't feel intimidated by the cars trying to overtake you, just indicate right and let them past. It's all about fun and being safe rather than laptimes, (unless you have lots of experience and in a dedicated track car). Cadwell is my favorite circuit (although I've never tracked my 997 yet, only my MX5), but has limited run offs in places so just take it easy at first. Try and limit yourself to 4 or 5 laps at a time for less strain on the car, (and you), as you are running standard parts, (tyres, brakes etc).

Have fun!! Mr. Green Trackdays are great!!!

Also as above consider insurance with someone like 'Competition Car Insurance'. They can provide track cover for just the day. There is no 3rd party cover on trackdays so if some idiot crashes into you they do not have to pay. (Collisions are very rare though must accidents are single car driver error 'just too much speed backed by a lack of talent')
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, if you haven't spun it at least once you're not trying hard enough Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to you all,
Great advice which I will follow up on. Tips like this are very helpful for novices like me.
As for tyre pressures I normally run at 30 front & 40 rear cold which increases about 4 psi when warm. What would you recommend as a starting point.
I have Tpms so can keep an eye on it.
I also have two sets of wheels, my old Turbos with Bridgestones and plenty of tread and my new HRE with Michelin pilot super sports which are brand new.
The Michelin feel far superior but I don't want to ruin them just yet.
Which would you use?
I presume I should also put the pasm into sport mode.
Thanks once again all I'll report back early in March.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

copmots wrote:
Thanks to you all,
Great advice which I will follow up on. Tips like this are very helpful for novices like me.
As for tyre pressures I normally run at 30 front & 40 rear cold which increases about 4 psi when warm. What would you recommend as a starting point.
I have Tpms so can keep an eye on it.
I also have two sets of wheels, my old Turbos with Bridgestones and plenty of tread and my new HRE with Michelin pilot super sports which are brand new.
The Michelin feel far superior but I don't want to ruin them just yet.
Which would you use?
I presume I should also put the pasm into sport mode.
Thanks once again all I'll report back early in March.
Dave

Something for you to think about.... Why did you buy super sports ? I think you get my drift Laughing
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see what you mean super sports are a top notch track tyre right?
I bought them because been in the motor trade I got a really good deal on the Michelins compared to the other brands.
Maybe because they aren't N rated or maybe because I spend thousands of ££ with my supplier. Doubt whether I would get the same price again hence would like them to last a little while.
Your point has drawn me to using them though thank you for that.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding insurance I have found it more cost effective to cancel my existing policy and buy a new specialist policy which includes trackway rather than buying insurance for just one day. You could also cancel the policy and claim a prorated refund after the event.

I use A Manning who are not cheap but I feel well covered.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big thing...try and relax, you will drive better/faster.

Re the tyres. Leave them be for the sighting laps and first one or two sessions/outings.
When you get back into the car park, check them. If you've been going quite well you will be shocked at how high the pressures have risen. Whilst they are hot, immediately drop them to within a couple of PSI than they should be cold, not under but over.

If you are going well, then drop them to the cold pressures.

If you have got a feel for the car in the first couple of sessions, you will notice the positive effect this has Thumb
The instructor should have similar advice on this.

Cadwell is my favourite Uk track, Enjoy, keep your eyes open, relax, keep it smooth, brake in a straight line and see what your Porsche is capable of...I think you will be impressed. Thumb
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