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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, i'm after some advice

I've found a fairly nice looking 964 C4, with 166k miles on the clock. It doesn't mention a rebuild of any sorts but has been serviced regularly at 9M. Is that high a milage for a 1990 car anything to worry about?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally depends on the maintenence, what's been replaced and when. As far as the engine you will probably want a compression and leakdown test on it to make sure it's OK.

Porsches are great if they have been properly maintained and that applies to high mileage cars too. As long as bits have been replaced as required. Or you should be looking to get it at a cheap enough price to be able to replace tired suspension, gearbox and engine parts to bring it back up to an acceptable level.

Typically 964 engines tend to need a top end rebuild every about every 100K miles to get them back to thier best.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks ian

the car is available for 11k, if as you say i need to replace suspension, gearbox and have a top end rebuild done whats that likely to cost me? roughly

And after i've done all of this am i going to have a car worth anywhere near 11k plus the above cost? after all if will still be a high milage car

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in a nutshell no..........but it certainly won't lose much if anything purchase pricewise

with all that work being done to it btw i'd reckon you'll be spending between 4-6k


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Rodders

Just spoken to the owner, he's had the car for a year and in that time its had a new clutch, brakes and some oil pipes

Is it possible for a 964 to get to that kind of milage without ever having had a top end done?

Also Is there anyone in the north-west who could do private inspections?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

try yer OPC...........they PPI'd mine for less than what an AA/RAC inspection would cost





tho obviously factor in you getting it HPi'd.........approx 40


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM me the Reg, and i'll HPI it for you..

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Dan

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will

Have you spoken to 9M about it - you said they have done the servicing, they might be willing to shed some light.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sending fax now !

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's perfectly possible to reach that mileage without a rebuild, but I would suggest it's unlikely.

To put it into perspective my 1990 964 C2 has done 164,000 miles and had a top end rebuild at about 40k to sort the lack of head gasket issue, it then had a top and bottom end rebuild at about 150k.

As others have mentioned I suspect that it would need new shocks, all suspension bushes, possibly wheel bearings, maybe a gearbox rebuild, dizzy belt , caps and rotors.

Don't let all of that put you off, but the price does need to reflect exactly what work has or hasn't been done ..........

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Faxed..

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dan got the fax - HPI seems to be fine

Stu- had a word with 9m this morning, they could tell me that they had done alot of work on it but due to computer system renewal the labour and parts weren't on there so they can't tell me what

Jamie - Seems a daunting list of work, would that still fall within the 4-6k price range rodders suggested? The idea of a blank canvas to get set up how i want it is appealing though.

the car is advertised on below

http://www.911uk.com/adverts.php?category=Porsche+911&sub_category=964+%3A+1989-1993


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its needing suspension you could look on it as a chance to upgrade,cos it looks standard right height at the front anyway,tho could be down to the (possibly???) 16inch Cup1 wheels

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know much about what upgrades would be worth doing. WRT the suspension especially

Any thoughts?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by Jamie Summers on 07 July 2006

It's perfectly possible to reach that mileage without a rebuild, but I would suggest it's unlikely.

To put it into perspective my 1990 964 C2 has done 164,000 miles and had a top end rebuild at about 40k to sort the lack of head gasket issue, it then had a top and bottom end rebuild at about 150k.

As others have mentioned I suspect that it would need new shocks, all suspension bushes, possibly wheel bearings, maybe a gearbox rebuild, dizzy belt , caps and rotors.

Don't let all of that put you off, but the price does need to reflect exactly what work has or hasn't been done ..........

Jamie



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Don't know much about what upgrades would be worth doing. WRT the suspension especially

Any thoughts?




http://www.porsche964.nl/my964/suspension.php

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will - your 4-6K is in the ball park, but very little of it is likely to be immediately urgent. I would have thought that that car would make a very nice blank canvas. The most common suspension upgrade package for the 964 is the Bilstein HD shocks combined with H&R or Eibach springs. The kit is about 700 then factor in some time for fitting and set up etc. Gearbox rebuild is c. 1,500, but shouldn't really be necessary. All the other stuff is a matter of 100s of not 1,000s. The real money eater is the engine rebuild and any significant bodywork that may be required.

I remember seeing that ad on Pistonheads and thought it looked a good buy for someone. It's tricky territory though I would pay up for a really proper inspection. Get 9m to go through it with a fine tooth comb and give you a costing for every little thing that needs to be done - trust me there will be plenty, but some is more important than others.

In the last year or so there have been several discussions on the Porsche Club GB forum about the merits of upgrading bog standard 964s towards RS spec - might be food for thought. Mine is quite a long way down that road now ...........

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went to see this today and it was interesting. it was by no means cosmetically perfect. a few areas around the front and rear windscreens that need some attention, see pic. A dent on the rear bumper (other pic) and the odd scuff mark on the paintwork of the bumpers.

It seems to have been lowered but i can't find the invoice for what was done in the history. Oh yes and the alloys need a refurb.

What do you guys think about getting these bits sorted and spending some cash on some other bits and bobs. Still looking good as a blank canvas or carry on looking?











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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say those bits and the wheels needing refurbished should easy knock 1000-1500 off his price............put it this way unless it comes back with a glowing PPi report those cosmetic bits will put a hell of a lot of people off buying





personally i'd maybe continue the hunt..............if it was my 993 i was selling and I had a bump like that in my bumper and corrosion in the window frame like that........i'd have got them fixed first


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