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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:34 pm    Post subject: Keenly Priced Gen 1 Reply with quote

Does anybody know this car?


I'm still tentatively looking for my 1st 911 and I like the look of this one, even the lighter grey interior. A useful PCM upgrade, low mileage and in seemingly very nice and clean condition.

I'm just still worried about potential engine troubles - I cannot afford a full rebuild. And also more generally if it's a good idea to sink a significant amount of my net worth into a technology (petrol) that I can see being obsolete in the not too distance future!

But perhaps I'm worrying too much.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No to knowing it, get it borescoped and bought!Its only cheap if it doesnt need a new engine, statistics say it doesnt, but who knows...

Regarding the petrol engine, the incredibly bouyant used car market for petrol and diesel cars would say an all Electric future is a long long way off!

An inspection will likely reveal a raft of issues on a 16 year old car, that's any 16 year old car including Porsche.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget about main stream electric cars. It's not happening any time soon. This country goes into meltdown every time East Enders finishes with the kettles ***** on.
Get a PPI done and if it all checks out, get into it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am with the others Electric is at minimum 15 years away and thats if the government dont roll it back and they roll back most projects.

The 997.1 3.6 manual is statistically the least likely to suffer borescore , but its a 54 so will need the IMS upgrading at next clutch change if not already done .

the grey interior can easily be broken up with painted centre console and a few other well chosen mods.

price is good for a low miles car

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


1. It might need a new engine eventually
2. Even if it doesn't, it will cost you to run it (16year old high performance car -£1K+ a year)


1. You will love it
2. It will make you seem that all the money you spend on it is worth it and extremely good value-I have a spare manmaths calculator
3. Electric cars and post virus life will rob you of buying it in the future

hope this helps
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn’t say that’s mega-cheap.

I’ve seen early manual 997’s with Hartech rebuilds going for that price. (Private sales though).

I would scrimp & save another £5-6k and find a higher mileage Gen2 personally.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for your input! Hmm that’s a good point about saving a few £K more and getting a higher mileage, regularly used and serviced Gen 2. It seems like a buyers’ market at the moment so I’ll keep a look out. Ideally as bare bones spec as possible, manual base Carrera with no blingy wheels etc.

It could be the biggest false economy going for something marginally cheaper that could have a possible £12k engine rebuild lurking around the corner (overhyped or not).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Electric cars dont even solve the problem, they just make it a bit better. Hydrogen Ful Cell is what should be the target.

No way can you replace all teh diesel and petrol cars within 15 years, not to mention the people like us who want to drive their older petrol cars, and of course, the small matter of the charging network required to keep every single person moving and charged if they have electric. Friend of mine has a tesla, and he tells a story of 'enjoying' sitting at Sheffield services waiting for his turn to charge his tesla as there are so many others there doing the same, and the tesla drivers having a chinwag while waiting, which sounds like my idea of hell....

Anyway, back to the 997. Don't discount any cars, just get one you like checked over properly. I don't think that one is cheap, market for cars in general is going down, so prices have dropped. If you can stretch to a cheap Gen 2 might be a good idea, did see a couple of them at ~£25k the other day, but questionable what condition they were in .....
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on budget, get a cheap 997 which is scored and get a full fat Hartech rebuild. This would be a better bet than a dodgy high miles Gen 2 (which will most likely need ££££ spending on it) and I reckon this is doable for £25k all in.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


That is a nice looking car. Great value. Best of luck with it or the right one when you find it.

Persssonnalllyyy I would go for a Gen2. Or a Hartech Gen1.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the seller can't even list correctly you have to wonder.

"17 inch alloys" hmmm no 997 EVER had 17 " alloys

Downside to entry 997 is ride height, expensive to get sitting at a nice height retrospectively. It'll never 'look' the car you want, IMO. Cracking daily driver though if thats what you're after.

Upside 3.6 is arguably safer engine, re borescoring, apparently.
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