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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:20 pm    Post subject: £25k Gen 2 Reply with quote

I'm tentatively thinking of dipping my toe into the lower end of the Gen 2 market. It would be my first 911 which has always been a dream car for me.

Just wondering what the consensus is on these 2 which have both been on sale for a while. The manual car has been dropped in price by £3k already. Ideally I'd like a manual but I'm open to trying a PDK.

I certainly do not have deep pockets so am I realistically wondering if something like this could be run on a budget of around £2k per year for maintenance (excluding consumables), or are they getting to the age and mileage where potentially big bills are lurking.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202001116042492
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’d probably spend less than that a year if you are not paying OPC prices.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manual would be my choice, given that PDKs can be expensive to fix.

The cars are over 10 yrs old, so its fair to expect that the suspension may be in need of a refresh if its not been done, which could be over £2k++, get it inspected so you know what you're in for there.

I'd be surprised if you spent £2k a year on it on average though...

The black one looks a cracker.
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benbuhagiar
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a 2008 Gen 2 PDK owner with 77k miles, these cars are a real bargain at £25k.

I've yet to spend more than £1k on servicing and repairs in the last 21 months, so I imagine your budget of £2k a year is fine.

I am due 4 new tyres to the tune of £800ish this weekend though.

From what I hear, PDK gearboxs are very reliable.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are great cars, I wish I got the hen 2. I have the gen 1 but they are pretty bullet proof cars. If you want to modify it can get expensive but maintenance is not to bad. There is always a deal out there
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The black one looks like great value for money.
I didn't realise they had dropped that low on price.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both look great but i'd go the manual if i were you!

I sold my Golf R and went for a higher milage/lower priced one which was a private sale, that's where the bargains are, brilliant car for the money.

I got a Porsche Centre to do the 111 point check for about £200 so i knew what might need sorting, i'd recommend doing that or a reputable indy to give it the once over.

997.2 is the sweet spot for me, got the updated engine which is the same design as in the 991.1 and looks that bit better to my eyes.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, saw the title and thought we would be looking at 150k mile cars Surprised

The black one is a lot of car for the money even though I’ve never been a massive fan of the turbo wheels Thumb
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Counter Of Beans
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur with the comments above, and would choose the black one - although I'd have to change the wheels (cost to change probably under £1000).
We are far too hung up on mileage in the UK, and if the condition and service history stacks up, then £25k ish is great value for money for a Gen 2.

What does this mean for 996 and 997.1 prices?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming that the manual checks out , I'd snap their bloody hands off.

I'm just surprised that it's still for sale....it's seriously got me thinking about selling my Gen 1 for a 2...
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James M-S
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wowsers, they are cheap. - and well specced. (Sports seats good, rear wiper not good - in my opinion)

I have one as my first pork, 5 years in and still love it.

Cloud 9

My preference is manual in a car like this.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Wow those are a lot of car for the money. If I wasn't married to my 993 I would have to have one.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:


......... then £25k ish is great value for money for a Gen 2.

What does this mean for 996 and 997.1 prices?



A Gen2 997 for £25k does represent great value for money but bear in mind that is the private sale price for a 12 year old entry level Carrera with average mileage.

Equivalent Gen1 cars are £4k+ cheaper and similar 996s are sub-£20k.

Similarly early 3.4 991.1 values are falling and starting to push late 997.2 values down but all still have a fairly unique price point.

In the coming years mileage, spec', service history and current condition will cause a cross-over in asking prices but as a general rule there will always be a gap between each.

Personally I don't think we're far away from the price point for each model becoming fairly static.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just done a similar thing and picked up a Gen 2S (2008) manual to use all year round as a daily. I only do 3-4k a year, shorts trips usually but always a longer B road blast as often as I can.

Yes I paid more for the S, and also from a well respected independent but the car is immaculate inside and out. Drives very well, feels tight, no rattles/squeaks or graunching sounds (Ok there is from 1st -> 2nd when it's cold).

I think the Gen 2 cars are known for being reliable, the PDK car will come under the top tax band too.

I'd get an inspection done and if all good - go for it.

Definitely worth a test drive if possible too. Depending on what you're currently driving it may be a totally different experience. Certainly much 'harder' than the RS3 I had previously in all areas.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the black one looks to have serious rust bubbles on the wheel arch though


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berni29
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi James

That is well spotted. I do not like the look of that. Must be fairly rare. Accident damage and poor repair?
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Gray79
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

berni29 wrote:
Hi James

That is well spotted. I do not like the look of that. Must be fairly rare. Accident damage and poor repair?


Looks like it’s starting to rust on the other side as well if you check the other pics, not as bad, but it’s there.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hot66 wrote:
the black one looks to have serious rust bubbles on the wheel arch though



Well spotted.
I would have to change the wheels as I was never a fan.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread this; there’s possibly a bit of excitement over gen 2 values plummeting? Not so fast! Sure, a cheeky offer may well secure a 25 bagger but I personally don’t feel they look to be the best examples. Caveat emptor. They’ll be cheap for a reason I can tell you.

I don’t feel these two particular examples have been enthusiast owned. There are numerous tell-tale signs that these cars have been enjoyed but not had the prerequisite maintenance. The black one in particular looks to be what I’d classify as a scabby car. Also, and this is a flipping pet hate of mine when people offer up cars for sale: clean the darn footwell mats. Not for me either of these motors.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really quite unusual to find rust/bubbles on a 997. Something doesn't stack up here.

I know someone who bought a Cat D (as it was called then) 997.1 C2S coupe with an average spec and average miles for £14k about 2 years ago. That was a huge amount of car.

By all means buy a £25k car, and if the only problem is some minor rust bubbles its not that expensive to fix, pretty sure dirty floor mats can be cleaned as well, but get it checked over properly by someone who knows what they are looking at! Worth spending £200 doing that.....
 
  
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