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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:59 pm    Post subject: GT3 what’s it worth? Reply with quote

https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/28056800

Cat b, for parts?

Worth a punt?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of nice parts there, although in some cases 3 out of the 4 you'd want.

Hard to value it as you don't know how knackered the bits are, what do people think would be a good price for it, 15k?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the engine and gearbox are OK they are easily worth £15k. Other than that it looks like the value of a set of GT3 clocks, the seats (If you would trust them after the impact) and a front caliper Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point about the seats, I imagine that the new owner won't be told where they came from.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of maybes unless you can inspect it but if the following parts are working and structurally sound you’re into the £20k’s no problem.

Engine = £12000-£15000
Gearbox = £4000-5000
Seats, genuine nomex = £3k per pair
Rear wing = £1k +
Set of lights if Litronics = £500+
Wheels = £200+ each

Then there are all the small parts that add up, such as the rest of the interior, clocks, ECU, etc etc.

Only way the seats won’t be salvageable will be if the drivers side floor is so crumpled it’s bent the seats mounts and cracked the seats. If not then they’ll be fine as that’s not actually a huge smash. Certainly not enough to snap seat-backs or anything.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brakes will be worth money, callipers, m/c etc, exhausts aren’t available anymore new. GT3 carpets etc.

No mileage stated but my guess would be 20-22 ish
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subject to structural condition and engine; I’d have a go at straightening that out: fit a Cup steering wheel, carbon roof, a cage, some lightweight wheels... It would make for a cracking track car and if you are handy with the spanners could be very cheap. If I had the space I’d be making an offer for my next project
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant see more that £22k in it but have seen worse go for more. I think some one will pay circa £25-28 so i am out

For the sum of parts i would happily pay £20k, sell the big items quick and then the rest would be gravy !
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just needs reshelling.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senoj wrote:
Brakes will be worth money, callipers, m/c etc, exhausts aren’t available anymore new. GT3 carpets etc.

No mileage stated but my guess would be 20-22 ish


Mileage last MOT was 18.5K so low miles GT3 engine/gearbox.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, low mileage Clubsport with cage delete. Sold for £72k 18 months ago.

That’s all ”apparently” from someone I know who keeps a GT3 database, but there can’t be many CS without the cage.


Get it bought Richard! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ELA wrote:
Subject to structural condition and engine; I’d have a go at straightening that out: fit a Cup steering wheel, carbon roof, a cage, some lightweight wheels... It would make for a cracking track car and if you are handy with the spanners could be very cheap. If I had the space I’d be making an offer for my next project


You can't use that car for anything other than parts being a CAT B write off.

They won't even sell it to anyone that does not have all the relevant paper work as it needs to be destroyed once all removable parts are stripped out.

The way they get round this is offering a service called BreakerBid4U and this puts bids on the car for you. If you win you have to pay them a fee for using their bidding facility which can be 5% of the hammer price... you don't remove the engine and gearbox yourself they do that part which I am not too happy about but it is what it is. You remove anything else you want.
£125 plus vat for the use of the breaker bay.

You have to also pay for recovery from the co-part facility to the breaker yard which is roughly £300-£600 depending on distance.
By the time you add the VAT into the equation and all those fees it gets very expensive and you only have one session to dismantle the car by the looks of it 9am-4pm.

It would need to be sub £15k to make it worthwhile....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see profit or opportunity. I just see a lot of stress and hassle.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sportsandclassic wrote:
ELA wrote:
Subject to structural condition and engine; I’d have a go at straightening that out: fit a Cup steering wheel, carbon roof, a cage, some lightweight wheels... It would make for a cracking track car and if you are handy with the spanners could be very cheap. If I had the space I’d be making an offer for my next project


You can't use that car for anything other than parts being a CAT B write off.

They won't even sell it to anyone that does not have all the relevant paper work as it needs to be destroyed once all removable parts are stripped out.

The way they get round this is offering a service called BreakerBid4U and this puts bids on the car for you. If you win you have to pay them a fee for using their bidding facility which can be 5% of the hammer price... you don't remove the engine and gearbox yourself they do that part which I am not too happy about but it is what it is. You remove anything else you want.
£125 plus vat for the use of the breaker bay.

You have to also pay for recovery from the co-part facility to the breaker yard which is roughly £300-£600 depending on distance.
By the time you add the VAT into the equation and all those fees it gets very expensive and you only have one session to dismantle the car by the looks of it 9am-4pm.

It would need to be sub £15k to make it worthwhile....


Many thanks for this info:

On the official government website it states as you say above (body shell to be crushed but parts can be used...)
However on this website a CAT B can be reused but you may struggle to find insurance:

"Category B write-offs represent serious damage to a vehicle which could include body or parts damage that is beyond repair and should not re-appear on the roads. However if the vehicle is of significant value & either financial or sentimental, then you may think it is worth repairing to make it road worthy once more."

I'd be looking to use it in Germany so perhaps it may be a little easier. I am seriously considering this car if the price is stupidly cheap. I don't see anything in the pictures that looks particularly difficult to fix. The fact

ENGINE WILL NOT START - REASON UNKNOWN
may be down to
NUMBER OF KEYS WITH VEHICLE 0

I'm quite interested, the boss will no doubt go ballistic at the mere thought of this project Grin but it wouldn't be the first time she has had to deal with my somewhat weird fascination with the 996...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate is a salvage dealer and he’s kept a good few Cat B things as whole cars over the years, for track use etc.

Might be a recent change that Mike is on about though. I’ll ask my mate out of interest when I next see him.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here it was looking slightly betterer. Very Happy

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292619828527


Not a CS so a Comfort with nomex buckets.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice find - be interested on a thread if one of you guys purchases it Thumb

I always find the categorisation a bit odd here in the UK as some Cat Bs don't look too bad if you are able to straighten the shell on a jig and reinforce any areas that have been damaged.

Regularly watch videos of guys in the states with cars sometimes in worse states than that get resurrected. It appears they then go to a state run license office that checks the damage has been repaired satisfactorily before issuing a vehicle license and plate.

But as a few of you have pointed out you can't even buy a scrapper car here unless you have the right paper work etc...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CatB purchase requirement is in Co-parts T&Cs. Won’t sell to anyone without a disposal license. Makes sense as it can ever go back on the road and they have control over the identity being destroyed properly.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ELA wrote:


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I don't see anything in the pictures that looks particularly difficult to fix.

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Listing secondary undercarriage damage would worry me a bit. The sill is seriously folded in and the wheel has taken a knock hard enough to snap the control arm and the tie rod, god knows what it may have done to the strut mounting point. From that damage my worry would be that the front sub frame mounting points were now out of alignment. My view is that the GT3 shell isn't different enough to justify the hours trying to straighten it.

In your position at the right price... that engine in your current car... mmmmmmm
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like quite an accident, anyone care to speculate on how it acquired all that damage with no obvious damage to the front, rolled perhaps but no damage to the bonnet?

Easy to see why it won't start, I wonder if there is any coolant left?
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