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Billy Bumpsteer
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most people who want it already have it? Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
I can get you an evaporator supplier and fitted for less than £1k.
Parts are cheap enough as evaporator can be less than £100, condenser similar and receiver/drier and expansion valve c£50

Job can be done in less than 8 hrs and you can get away without fully removing the fuel tank


I don't doubt that for a moment, Zingers - I've looked at the Autodoc website and those parts prices seem about right.
The problem is this: I take my car to a specialist, they are the expert and I know as much as Basil Brush compared to them. The conversation might go something like this:
Me: I've heard that you can do the job in 8 hours.
Indy: No Sir, it will take us 12 hours at £100 per hour; from experience.
Me: OK, but I see that you can get an evaporator for £100.
Indy: Ah, that'll be an inferior part. We fit a £600 part because the job has to be done right.

And so on............it's hard to argue with the experts!
Now, people might say that I'm using the wrong indy, one that is much more expensive than it needs to be. And they might be right.
To those that have sent me a PM; thank you, it's appreciated.
I will write an honest review when I get the car back.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Ch3tman, when I bought the FD SSK+GR back in September the price was $604 plus $98 shipping (£570 Sterling at the time). I had to pay £77 to UPS to persuade them to bring the package to my door, which was less than I thought it would be, so I don't know what number FD use for calculating the VAT and import duty. I thought it was 7% duty and then 20% VAT on top?

I'll post my impressions of the SSK/GR when I get the car back.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m a bit of a bean counter too, so bought some decent tools last year and I attempt pretty much everything myself first. Saved thousands that way Smile

Photos of the stuff I’ve done to my 993 are at www.instagram.com/gws911

I see you’re in Hants near me, could I ask who you use as an Indy?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hella parts, which is what will be in the Porsche box, are about £200 for the evap, drier and valve. Porsche would be £850.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are silly numbers. My indy would be doing that job for around £800. North v South pricing again I guess.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

£800 would be a bargain if it includes parts, just as £3k is too much IMHO. The job is a couple of days work (if you know what you are doing, longer if you don;t) and relatively cheap on parts. Its a cheap job if you do it yourself in money but expensive in time. Its one of those jobs you would ideally leave with an Indy for a week or two for them to do “in between” other jobs and agree a fixed price but to me you are looking at anywhere around £1500 with variances depending on how much an Indy is willing to either to discount their labour rate for it or do not really want to tie staff up on it for a few days Dont know

As I said at the start of this thread the evaporator is an unusually high cost on these cars but that’s purely down to its location at the bulkhead meaning the front end has to stripped down just to get at it, but otherwise in general the cost of maintaining a 993 is much cheaper than other “classics”......try an keep a 90’s Ferrari on the road Floor
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask Johnny yourself when you take your old girl for its annual fifty mile service Wink
Its a days labour, central electrics moved, petrol tank moved and firewall out before the fan assembly comes out.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
Hello Ch3tman, when I bought the FD SSK+GR back in September the price was $604 plus $98 shipping (£570 Sterling at the time). I had to pay £77 to UPS to persuade them to bring the package to my door, which was less than I thought it would be, so I don't know what number FD use for calculating the VAT and import duty. I thought it was 7% duty and then 20% VAT on top?

I'll post my impressions of the SSK/GR when I get the car back.

Thanks, Counter Of Beans, for the helpful post. FD SSK+GR is definitely on the list Smile.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ras62 wrote:
Ask Johnny yourself when you take your old girl for its annual fifty mile service Wink
Its a days labour, central electrics moved, petrol tank moved and firewall out before the fan assembly comes out.


I hope Precision Porsche don't mind me sharing these details; if they do they can just let me know and I'll edit the details out. I'm unsure of the etiquette here, especially given they advertise on here.

Anyway, I spoke to them yesterday. There may have been an error in the £3.3k estimate - when asked, it seems that £2.6k is nearer what is expected.
That's still a long way from the £1k mentioned in this thread.
PP say it's 12 hours labour, the evaporator they use is is £660 then there's the receiver drier, expansion valve, O rings and gaskets plus re-gas. They may have included a new condenser in the total too; not sure. I get the feeling they don't use cheap parts, and who am I to argue? Like I said, they are the experts, not me.

It all seems a bit of a minefield, I must say. What I didn't realise is just how much of a nonsense Porsche parts pricing is, to put it politely.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are quoting (hopefully providing) a Genuine Porsche evaporator, these are made by Hella.....................
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£1500 is top dollar for this...............wherever you are in the country!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ras62 wrote:
Ask Johnny yourself when you take your old girl for its annual fifty mile service Wink
Its a days labour, central electrics moved, petrol tank moved and firewall out before the fan assembly comes out.


No need, I've already had it done Wink, he works long days lol
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
ras62 wrote:
Ask Johnny yourself when you take your old girl for its annual fifty mile service Wink
Its a days labour, central electrics moved, petrol tank moved and firewall out before the fan assembly comes out.


I hope Precision Porsche don't mind me sharing these details; if they do they can just let me know and I'll edit the details out. I'm unsure of the etiquette here, especially given they advertise on here.

Anyway, I spoke to them yesterday. There may have been an error in the £3.3k estimate - when asked, it seems that £2.6k is nearer what is expected.
That's still a long way from the £1k mentioned in this thread.
PP say it's 12 hours labour, the evaporator they use is is £660 then there's the receiver drier, expansion valve, O rings and gaskets plus re-gas. They may have included a new condenser in the total too; not sure. I get the feeling they don't use cheap parts, and who am I to argue? Like I said, they are the experts, not me.

It all seems a bit of a minefield, I must say. What I didn't realise is just how much of a nonsense Porsche parts pricing is, to put it politely.


That will be Porsche pricing. The same part is online for much less, e.g. Rosepassion charge 448 Euro inclusive of VAT and there are other options for less.

https://www.rosepassion.com/en/parts-porsche-964-1992-eu-964-carrera-4-coupe-manual-gearbox-5-speed/heating-and-air-conditioning-system-385/air-conditioning-system-393/96457390100-p47190-evaporator-option-air-conditioner-option-code-m573-96457301300-400-584-47190
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ras62 wrote:
Counter Of Beans wrote:
ras62 wrote:
Ask Johnny yourself when you take your old girl for its annual fifty mile service Wink
Its a days labour, central electrics moved, petrol tank moved and firewall out before the fan assembly comes out.


I hope Precision Porsche don't mind me sharing these details; if they do they can just let me know and I'll edit the details out. I'm unsure of the etiquette here, especially given they advertise on here.

Anyway, I spoke to them yesterday. There may have been an error in the £3.3k estimate - when asked, it seems that £2.6k is nearer what is expected.
That's still a long way from the £1k mentioned in this thread.
PP say it's 12 hours labour, the evaporator they use is is £660 then there's the receiver drier, expansion valve, O rings and gaskets plus re-gas. They may have included a new condenser in the total too; not sure. I get the feeling they don't use cheap parts, and who am I to argue? Like I said, they are the experts, not me.

It all seems a bit of a minefield, I must say. What I didn't realise is just how much of a nonsense Porsche parts pricing is, to put it politely.


That will be Porsche pricing. The same part is online for much less, e.g. Rosepassion charge 448 Euro inclusive of VAT and there are other options for less.

https://www.rosepassion.com/en/parts-porsche-964-1992-eu-964-carrera-4-coupe-manual-gearbox-5-speed/heating-and-air-conditioning-system-385/air-conditioning-system-393/96457390100-p47190-evaporator-option-air-conditioner-option-code-m573-96457301300-400-584-47190


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Hella parts, which is what will be in the Porsche box, are about £200 for the evap, drier and valve. Porsche would be £850.
 
  
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