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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:28 pm    Post subject: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

Hi all, am considering super charging my 2001 996 C2 Cab Tip, but am struggling to find an outfit that truly understands these cars and can properly custom remap a car that has beyond the normal mods.

Can anyone recommend an expert custom napper please? Thumb [/u]
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unicorn motor developments have tuned my 800hp 996 turbo. It’s far from standard! Rick’s tuning abilities and knowledge is beyond anyone I’ve met. Give him a call 0161 637 1890
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed Wayne from chipwizards is your man , does a lot of work for the race teams , Hartech . he remapped mine. hes a straight talker and will make sure its set up to max without damaging the engine. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, seems the knowledgeable tuners are all Manchester based?

Oh well, what's a 7 hour round trip for a decent map?! Sad
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a chat with ken at 9 Excellence .. he's the goto man for advise down south anyways .. and no i don't work there .
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

youngsyr wrote:
Thanks guys, seems the knowledgeable tuners are all Manchester based?

Oh well, what's a 7 hour round trip for a decent map?! Sad


I know, having traveled from Bournemouth but its well worth it , take a couple of days off and make a short break out of it. the North isn't all dodgy Floor Floor
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have any experience of these guys?

https://www.gadtuning.co.uk/about-ecuremapping/

They're practically on my doorstep compared to Manchester!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
youngsyr wrote:
Thanks guys, seems the knowledgeable tuners are all Manchester based?

Oh well, what's a 7 hour round trip for a decent map?! Sad


I know, having traveled from Bournemouth but its well worth it , take a couple of days off and make a short break out of it. the North isn't all dodgy Floor Floor


Who are you trying to kid?! I lived in Manchester for 3 years. Thumb [/i]
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

youngsyr wrote:
Hi all, am considering super charging my 2001 996 C2 Cab Tip, but am struggling to find an outfit that truly understands these cars and can properly custom remap a car that has beyond the normal mods.

Can anyone recommend an expert custom napper please? Thumb [/u]


Please take my advice and drop the idea. We have done a 964 supercharged and that project runs perfect but I wouldn’t do it again - a na engine is not low enough compression to run more than 6psi so you need to build the engine for low compression ( then if you change your mind ) you would have to rebuild it again. Add to the fact that the na engine is not designed to be boost leak free and you end up having to cnc parts to stop pressure leaks. Then you need intercooler , bigger pump and injectors and finally the tuning whilst not impossible on stock ecu is a nightmare because you need to create effectively a turbo program / na version to get the thing done.

Save your money and buy a turbo - don’t get me wrong I love my 964 supercharged c2 with 420ps but if I had the choice I would not have started it for the money involved

If you want to do it properly the costs outweigh the move to an actual turbo car. These kits you see etc make it all sound simple - it is any but simple. Maybe becuase we used the car on track it highlighted a lot more things but even for road you will get frustrated with pressure leaks unless you cnc all the parts.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

996ttalot wrote:
youngsyr wrote:
Hi all, am considering super charging my 2001 996 C2 Cab Tip, but am struggling to find an outfit that truly understands these cars and can properly custom remap a car that has beyond the normal mods.

Can anyone recommend an expert custom napper please? Thumb [/u]


Please take my advice and drop the idea. We have done a 964 supercharged and that project runs perfect but I wouldn’t do it again - a na engine is not low enough compression to run more than 6psi so you need to build the engine for low compression ( then if you change your mind ) you would have to rebuild it again. Add to the fact that the na engine is not designed to be boost leak free and you end up having to cnc parts to stop pressure leaks. Then you need intercooler , bigger pump and injectors and finally the tuning whilst not impossible on stock ecu is a nightmare because you need to create effectively a turbo program / na version to get the thing done.

Save your money and buy a turbo - don’t get me wrong I love my 964 supercharged c2 with 420ps but if I had the choice I would not have started it for the money involved

If you want to do it properly the costs outweigh the move to an actual turbo car. These kits you see etc make it all sound simple - it is any but simple. Maybe becuase we used the car on track it highlighted a lot more things but even for road you will get frustrated with pressure leaks unless you cnc all the parts.

Ken


Thanks for taking the time to write out such a detailed response.Smile

I genuinely hear what you're saying and realise this is unlikely to be a "plug and play" modification, despite several owners emailing me to say the opposite.

However, I don't want a turbo: I don't want a 4wd 911 and I don't want a turbo charged 911.

If anything, I would go for a 997.2 2S PDK, but I would prefer to tweak my 996 to make up for its perceived weakness - slight lack of power.

Have you any experience of the VF Engineering Supercharging kit? It's been around for over 15 years and addressed many of the points you raise...
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

youngsyr wrote:
996ttalot wrote:
youngsyr wrote:
Hi all, am considering super charging my 2001 996 C2 Cab Tip, but am struggling to find an outfit that truly understands these cars and can properly custom remap a car that has beyond the normal mods.

Can anyone recommend an expert custom napper please? Thumb [/u]


Please take my advice and drop the idea. We have done a 964 supercharged and that project runs perfect but I wouldn’t do it again - a na engine is not low enough compression to run more than 6psi so you need to build the engine for low compression ( then if you change your mind ) you would have to rebuild it again. Add to the fact that the na engine is not designed to be boost leak free and you end up having to cnc parts to stop pressure leaks. Then you need intercooler , bigger pump and injectors and finally the tuning whilst not impossible on stock ecu is a nightmare because you need to create effectively a turbo program / na version to get the thing done.

Save your money and buy a turbo - don’t get me wrong I love my 964 supercharged c2 with 420ps but if I had the choice I would not have started it for the money involved

If you want to do it properly the costs outweigh the move to an actual turbo car. These kits you see etc make it all sound simple - it is any but simple. Maybe becuase we used the car on track it highlighted a lot more things but even for road you will get frustrated with pressure leaks unless you cnc all the parts.

Ken


Thanks for taking the time to write out such a detailed response.Smile

I genuinely hear what you're saying and realise this is unlikely to be a "plug and play" modification, despite several owners emailing me to say the opposite.

However, I don't want a turbo: I don't want a 4wd 911 and I don't want a turbo charged 911.

If anything, I would go for a 997.2 2S PDK, but I would prefer to tweak my 996 to make up for its perceived weakness - slight lack of power.

Have you any experience of the VF Engineering Supercharging kit? It's been around for over 15 years and addressed many of the points you raise...


We built our own using Rotrex sc - removed the a/c etc to mount the sc and so on

Maybe 996 would be easier - we started and stopped on an aftermarket kit ( not vf) on 996 c2 because the quality was poor and nothing was fitting well and I didn’t want our name associated with the kit. Maybe vf might be better. I would say whilst others have done sc before we used our turbo knowledge on the 964 to maximise the sc and it does work very well. Shoot me a message if you like and I’ll take a look at the vf

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

youngsyr wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
youngsyr wrote:
Thanks guys, seems the knowledgeable tuners are all Manchester based?

Oh well, what's a 7 hour round trip for a decent map?! Sad


I know, having traveled from Bournemouth but its well worth it , take a couple of days off and make a short break out of it. the North isn't all dodgy Floor Floor


Who are you trying to kid?! I lived in Manchester for 3 years. Thumb [/i]


Sounds like you have the ear of Ken and thats well worth exploring as he will have seen any issues you may hit and will advise on alternative options , and best of all you can stay south of Watford Floor Floor Floor keep us posted on what you decide as the project Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

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However, I don't want a turbo: I don't want a 4wd 911 and I don't want a turbo charged 911.

If anything, I would go for a 997.2 2S PDK, but I would prefer to tweak my 996 to make up for its perceived weakness - slight lack of power.



Have you considered a larger capacity rebuild, e.g the Hartech 3.9? This is properly developed and proven, seems to give similar power to an 'S' and would address the weaknesses of the M96 engine at the same time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
youngsyr wrote:


However, I don't want a turbo: I don't want a 4wd 911 and I don't want a turbo charged 911.

If anything, I would go for a 997.2 2S PDK, but I would prefer to tweak my 996 to make up for its perceived weakness - slight lack of power.



Have you considered a larger capacity rebuild, e.g the Hartech 3.9? This is properly developed and proven, seems to give similar power to an 'S' and would address the weaknesses of the M96 engine at the same time.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

youngsyr wrote:
Hi all, am considering super charging my 2001 996 C2 Cab Tip, but am struggling to find an outfit that truly understands these cars and can properly custom remap a car that has beyond the normal mods.

Can anyone recommend an expert custom napper please? Thumb [/u]


Menace (Vinny) has been running a supercharged 996 Cab for a few years now.

Thread -> http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=91629&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=supercharged
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
youngsyr wrote:


However, I don't want a turbo: I don't want a 4wd 911 and I don't want a turbo charged 911.

If anything, I would go for a 997.2 2S PDK, but I would prefer to tweak my 996 to make up for its perceived weakness - slight lack of power.



Have you considered a larger capacity rebuild, e.g the Hartech 3.9? This is properly developed and proven, seems to give similar power to an 'S' and would address the weaknesses of the M96 engine at the same time.


I believe you can only take a 3.6 to 3.9, mine is a 3.4 so can only go to 3.7?

The charger also gives around a 75 bhp increase throughout the rev band with minimal additional hardware, whereas with NA modifications, you need to upgrade everything to get additional power. Don't forget, Porsche only got 325 bhp out of the 3.6. Even with a 3.8 in the 997 they only initially took it to 350 bhp. Simply put, modifying an NA engine to my mind is just not worth the cost.

I'm also not convinced that the M96 is that weak of an engine - yes, some had issues with the IMS, but there are plenty around that are approaching 6 figure mileages and beyond. What's more, there are M96s that have done 30,000+ miles running 6 PSI of boost with these chargers.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended remapper for custom 996 Super Charger Map? Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
youngsyr wrote:
Hi all, am considering super charging my 2001 996 C2 Cab Tip, but am struggling to find an outfit that truly understands these cars and can properly custom remap a car that has beyond the normal mods.

Can anyone recommend an expert custom napper please? Thumb [/u]


Menace (Vinny) has been running a supercharged 996 Cab for a few years now.

Thread -> http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=91629&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=supercharged


Thanks, I'm wondering how he got on in his second 5 years with the charger?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I’ve had the charger on for 10 years and never skipped a beat. Only thing that stopped me once was the water pump, not related.

Very happy with it and it’s fast.

I guess with this hobby, we all have our own ideas and thoughts about what to do.

Regards

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menace wrote:
Hi,

I’ve had the charger on for 10 years and never skipped a beat. Only thing that stopped me once was the water pump, not related.

Very happy with it and it’s fast.

I guess with this hobby, we all have our own ideas and thoughts about what to do.

Regards

Vinny


Looks awesome, thanks for the feedback! Smile
 
  
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