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Mogwai
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:38 am    Post subject: New member - 997.1s - help appreciated Reply with quote

Good morning,

My first thread/post Very Happy - and I am after some help if possible.

I am going to own a 911. It's always been my dream car and i had promised myself before I'm 50 there will be one on the driveway. I've had a couple of Boxsters before (RS60 and a 987.2S).

I'm currently driving a 2016 RS3 but can't seem to stop that itch for another Porsche. I only do around 3,000 miles a year, a few short trips a week and longer drives at the weekend.

I'm not 100% fixed on a 997.1, I have looked at a few 991's but don't see the point of £45k worth of metal not moving on a driveway 5 days a week. 997.2's are also a fair bit more expensive and I'm a noise guy so a 997.1 appeals to me much more. I want a old school rawer manual car.

I am an avid reader of Pistonheads, and here etc. so am reasonably clued up on a gen 1 997s. IMS bearings, bore score etc. I have a slush fund I can use if the car gets borked.

Anyway, I have seen a 997.1s on Baytree cars https://www.baytreecars.com/stock/porsche-911-3-8-997-carrera-s-2dr/

Has anyone any experience of Baytree cars, and (long shot) does anyone know the car.

I suspect it may be worth paying more and buying from RSJ, or 911 virgin etc. but the one at Baytree has caught my eye. Any help or advice is much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Mogwai.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to 911uk.

It looks like you've done your homework and that Baytree car looks like a great example.

Baytree have some good stock and although there's never been a review of them on here there's been no horror stories either.

It certainly seems worth checking out. I hope you don't find any hidden gremlins. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome

I don't know anything about the dealer or car but it does look like quite a nice and you can see that someone with an genuine interest in looking after the car has owned it as they have had the steering wheel and gear knob re-trimmed at some point. If you like the sound of the 997.1 it might be worth looking for one with PSE or other exhaust mods though
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for contrast... £2k more but an excellent spec and has already had a full engine rebuild.
https://www.northway.co.uk/used/porsche/997/s-2dr/reading/berkshire/19118519/
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Mogwai
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to Ray about the one at Northway, he's struggling to get a part ex price that's 1/2 decent for my RS3.

I could sell it locally but I'm not in a huge rush so it seemed a bit of an effort Very Happy

I'll maybe give baytree a bell later on ..
 
  
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Hertsdriver
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm an ‘s’ without sports chrono???

Dont know
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought - £25.5K is starting to knock on the bottom end of the 997.2 Carrera market (albeit in auto/PDK guise)

How would a 997.2 non S compare? Would the potential avoidance of Gen 1 engine issues be worth sacrificing the rawer and fruitier nature of the Gen 1 'S' for? The power output seems to be very close.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd happily look at a 997.2 non S.

It would need to have PASM, 3rd cat removed and gundo hack I think as they're pretty quiet.

I can't see any 997.2 on the usual websites (Autotrader/Pistonheads) for anywhere near £25k.

It also MUST be manual. I won't entertain a PDK car Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admittedly it is a long way off £25k, but I think this one looks great and suspect it would hold its value well being a late manual Gen 2. It's been up for quite a while - I wonder if there is much wiggle room in the price?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-Porsche-911-997-Gen-2-3-6-Carrera-2-Manual-Basalt-Black-Huge-Spec-only-52k/133286234890
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting about noise, because we are very much the same. I have a 2007 C2s Cabrio, with PSE, which is turned always on. It's an incredible sound Smile

Went to see another car at the weekend, and a guy was just coming in from a test drive in a PDK C4S, which almost made no noise to my mind!

For the amount of miles you are going to do, get a good gen 1, and know it might go bang, but get it checked properly first. Make sure it has PSE. turn it always on, enjoy Smile

Incidentally, car I went to see was a 2010 R8 Spyder, which felt like any other Audi in side, no theatre, no drama, amazing noise, but the frunk was pathetic! Just wouldnt work for me, love the rawer feel of a Gen 1 manual Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a nice car. Portiacraft have a silver 997.2 that looks to have some exhaust mods but it's up @£34k.

Oh, and I forgot one more definite no for my 911. It can't be black Rolling Eyes

For some reason, as I tend to buy second hand cars they're all bloody black. Mustang, Subaru, JCW, BMW, RS3. It's an absolute ***** to keep clean, you see every tiny scratch and I have a private parking space about 50 metres from my house so hand washing it myself isn't really do-able.

Give me boring silver anyday Very Happy
 
  
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Ian Perry
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baytree are just up the road from me ,I didn't buy from them in the end but they were great to deal with and very fair and straight forward.
I had a good look around their stock and it was faultless to be fair .
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baytree car showing as reserved?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome

Did you buy it Question

Hope so Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately it wasn't me.

I missed out on a lovely Hartech engine Guards Red before Xmas too. Need to stop fannying about I guess.

Mogwai.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mogwai, you need to be more like a Gremlin Thumb
 
  
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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the bay tree cars gone I would be pushing Northway hard for a deal and px value on your car , after all selling cars is what they do Grin and having had a rebuild and sports chrono etc makes it worth the extra couple of grand .
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
As the bay tree cars gone I would be pushing Northway hard for a deal and px value on your car , after all selling cars is what they do Grin and having had a rebuild and sports chrono etc makes it worth the extra couple of grand .


This

Check what the rebuild actually did, because there are rebuilds, and then there are rebuilds, but with you only doing 13k miles a year, thats a great car at that price. Check the IMS, as you know, check the tyres, you want Michelin PS4S ideally, but PS2 or PS4 are fine, Pirelli, not really IMO!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds very much like my want list from a long search that just went on and on,
Typically I’d halted my search and it fell in my lap,

As others have said I’d wait for PSE, a few other options, a nice colour.
There are some cars still on the market that I looked at and passed by, no doubt others have looked at these too,

Good luck with your search,
 
  
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