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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:26 pm    Post subject: Suspension query. Reply with quote

Hi,

Been digging around the car a bit (only had it a short while)
I removed the trim inside the front hood to check the drain holes, they seemed fine, but what I did notice, was the tops of the suspension legs which are covered by black plastic discs, are slightly different heights??
I accidentally knocked the near side one and it popped off, I then looked at the Off side one and it was clipped in much tighter. When I went to replace the near side one again, it wouldn’t actually fit due to a few mil of the suspension leg sitting above the body work, and therefore preventing the plastic disc from sitting flush with the top of the hole it lives in.

This strikes me as a bit odd? Surely both legs should sit at the same height?

Attached are a couple of photos.




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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off side.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the rubber in the top bearing has separated from the mount. Item 3 in the diagram.

Comparing both sides, the number of threads showing look the same at about 7. The large cup washer under the nut on the nearside is much nearer the bodywork.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that, so does that need attention then? I had a four wheel alignment the other day, and while the rears were out, the front was all within a much tighter tolerance.
My main worry is that it’s a twisted shell that’s had the suspension adjusted to compensate?
Extreme of course but just want to be across all issues.

Thanks for the info.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having visited Center Gravity for the first time for a suspension health check the other day, I would get yourself up there and have it all checked out.

I was genuinely astonished by their diligence in their various checks, and what they know about Porsche suspension and handling. I can’t wait for my return visit to get the car set up.

For what it costs, in my opinion it’s well worth it to get your car handling as it should- after all, we’d spend £1000 or so getting a sports exhaust fitted...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an idea.
Jack up under the front nearside jacking point. As the bodywork rises and until the front wheel lifts off the ground, keep checking to see if the nut retracts and allows the plastic cover to be re-fitted. A good top mount would not move theoretically.
My understanding is that this failure would lead to a noisy / squeaky front suspension but not necessarily dangerous.
In any case, DeMort should be along soon to provide the expert advice.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea, I’ll do that in the morning.

Cheers!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im somewhat concerned and bemused by this ..

i've not come across this before to be honest so i'm just going to list possible faults ..

Top strut mount is the most obvious fault but the washer each side .. no.6 should stop the shock from raising to any real degree ...

That would be the first point to check though ..

Bodywork damage ..

Twisted chassis won't raise the shock , have a look or better still take some photos of the seams .. in short give us an all round look at the bodywork in that area .

i doubt this but none of us can see the car and so a couple of pictures tells us and me a lot .

the car has just been set up geo wise so it's all in spec .. it will drive fine and there isn't a problem other than the cover won't fit flush... this is not a problem as such ..

Bodywork issues tend to show up on a geo .. you can't get them in specs so im already leaning away from this .

Different shocks each side .. as already mentioned the threads appear to be the same so the height should be the same ..

The struts don't appear to have been adjusted .. normally there's a clear mark where they have been moved .. this just looks like fresh paint .

Ok .. all i think i'm doing is scaring you .. take a few pictures .. some of the seams in that area so we have a better idea of what it looks like but i'm still leaning towards a top strut mount problem which if its been geo,ed with no problems and no noises when driving is not worth worrying about .

Sometimes i think as i type .. this is one of them so don't be concerned .. it's just something of interest atm that i would like to get to the bottom of .

More pictures please and don't worry Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post above ..

Ok i've been sitting here thinking about this .. im wondering if the bottom no.6 is missing .. i'm not sure if you can pull the rubber boot down and visually see if its there ... either way i think its a top strut mount fault which as its been geo,ed with no knocking noises then i wouldn't worry about .

The plastic cover serves no real purpose other than to stop water ingress to that area .. which will drain away regardless .
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’re beyond helpful, thank you!

I’ll remove the covers tomorrow and take a few pics. It does drive really well, no knocking, nothing out of the ordinary.
I only spotted it as I knocked the cover off as I Went to clean the drain holes.
As I tried to put it back on, it wouldn’t go, that’s when I checked the other one and saw the difference.
It’s always worrying when you buy a new car, not knowing the true history and all that!
Thanks for your advice and thoughts, really appreciate you taking the time.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some pics Mr De Mort. thumbsup
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I’ve had a good look and can’t see any sign of creasing or damage. Haven’t checked underneath yet due to the undertrays.

Thanks in advance! worship
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be taking the wheel off on the raised side and checking the top mount and related bits for any obvious problems.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers,

I’ll do that tomorrow. thumbsup
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Gazc2 on this one .. i can't see anything obvious on the bodywork .. the seams that i can see all look standard .

I'm a little surprised that it doesn't look like the camber has been adjusted .. the nuts with washers leave a mark in the paintwork after adjustment and yours just looks like clean paint .

The shock thread is actually higher than i first thought so there is something not quite right .. have a visual look at the shock , pull down the plastic cover and perhaps a photo or two of the top mount .

Rule of thumb .. it's been geo,ed with no problems , you have no unusual noises so there's unlikely to be a problem as such .. but something's not quite right there so worth a look .

Just a thought but car on lvl ground and measure the clearance from the wheel to the edge of the wing both sides .. they should be the same , you can measure from the middle of the wheel center cap to the wing or from the ground to the wing .
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