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Have I bought a lemon?

997_2_C4S

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So... long story short... all of my research told me that I didn't need to worry about underbody corrosion as 997.2s were so well protected from the factory etc, so didn't think to remove plastic under trays and sill covers to inspect before I bought my 997.2 C4S from Ashgood. Anyway, turns out it's rusty as **** underneath, as my other thread on here. That's being cut out and sorted and hopefully all cleaned up by a specialist at a cost of £2k but my concern now is that someone else (on here) mentioned it may have been a press car, which of course it is my worse nightmare as it would have been caned with zero sympathy.

How do I find out if it was a press car? The reg was RE58 YUT which obviously fits with Porsche GB in Reading. It's an early gen 2 car, so could easily have been a press car, but it's manual and most tests seem to have been PDK. There's no sports chrono or sports seats, so that makes it slightly less likely to be a press car. It does have sports exhaust, PASM, short shift though.
 
Spongebob has an ex press car, and it's all hunky dory. The press car gets a full going over after each journo returns it, basically a service.. There was a feature done on it, and I wanted to find for Sponge but never did. Outside of over revs, I wouldn't be bothered.
 
I wouldn't worry about it.

Mines not a daily and gets driven like its stolen after being warmed up!

They are meant to be driven hard, they can take it so Just enjoy it!
 
I've read your other posts but didn't comment .. you have now asked for an opinion so i will comment ..

Press cars are usually the very first of a new model .. press get to drive the car and make an opinion to publish what they think .

I'm not sure of the age of your car , i think it was 2009 but it depends on the build date as to whether this is one of the first of this model .

Press or not it doesn't make much difference .. it does however make a difference on just how it was driven and so you need to see what the over revs say ..

These are the ranges above what the car is designed to do .. they range from 1-6 with with each one being 200 rpm more than the last .. when it gets to 6 then its 1200 or higher .

Range 5-6 and there is engine damage according to Porsche .. they never used to include range 4 but these days they dont give a warranty on anything from range 4-6 without an inspection and without it having done more than 200 hours of operating after the event.

Range 6 and more than a couple of rev ranges and they will not warranty it at all .

In short .. if you haven't already got a rev range readout of the car .. and you should have when spending this sort of money then you need to get it checked .

If only a few in 1-3 then that isn't a problem .

Corrosion .. i've seen worse .. this strikes me as a coastal car .. most of it is surface corrosion .. there are no gaping holes and again to be honest i've never seen holes in one of these so far .. that's 996 onwards .

Yours will need some corrective work as you are well aware .

It looks bad but its not in the realms of a Datsun shall we say .

All in all its a shock .. shinny on the outside and not so nice on the underside .. unsure if you have redress with the seller but thats who i would be talking to first .

A bit harsh perhaps from me .. but i keep saying .. ppi first then decide .. sorry .
 
deMort said:
I've read your other posts but didn't comment .. you have now asked for an opinion so i will comment ..

Press cars are usually the very first of a new model .. press get to drive the car and make an opinion to publish what they think .

I'm not sure of the age of your car , i think it was 2009 but it depends on the build date as to whether this is one of the first of this model .

Press or not it doesn't make much difference .. it does however make a difference on just how it was driven and so you need to see what the over revs say ..

These are the ranges above what the car is designed to do .. they range from 1-6 with with each one being 200 rpm more than the last .. when it gets to 6 then its 1200 or higher .

Range 5-6 and there is engine damage according to Porsche .. they never used to include range 4 but these days they dont give a warranty on anything from range 4-6 without an inspection and without it having done more than 200 hours of operating after the event.

Range 6 and more than a couple of rev ranges and they will not warranty it at all .

In short .. if you haven't already got a rev range readout of the car .. and you should have when spending this sort of money then you need to get it checked .

If only a few in 1-3 then that isn't a problem .

Corrosion .. i've seen worse .. this strikes me as a coastal car .. most of it is surface corrosion .. there are no gaping holes and again to be honest i've never seen holes in one of these so far .. that's 996 onwards .

Yours will need some corrective work as you are well aware .

It looks bad but its not in the realms of a Datsun shall we say .

All in all its a shock .. shinny on the outside and not so nice on the underside .. unsure if you have redress with the seller but thats who i would be talking to first .

A bit harsh perhaps from me .. but i keep saying .. ppi first then decide .. sorry .

Thank you for considered post. It looked fine underneath when it was at Ashgoods. And no over revs. And actually, those photographs show the worst. It's been caught in time and by the end of next week will be better than new. The guys who are doing the work are the most thorough I know.
 
997_2_C4S said:
So... long story short... all of my research told me that I didn't need to worry about underbody corrosion as 997.2s were so well protected from the factory etc, so didn't think to remove plastic under trays and sill covers to inspect before I bought my 997.2 C4S from Ashgood. Anyway, turns out it's rusty as **** underneath, as my other thread on here. That's being cut out and sorted and hopefully all cleaned up by a specialist at a cost of £2k but my concern now is that someone else (on here) mentioned it may have been a press car, which of course it is my worse nightmare as it would have been caned with zero sympathy.

How do I find out if it was a press car? The reg was RE58 YUT which obviously fits with Porsche GB in Reading. It's an early gen 2 car, so could easily have been a press car, but it's manual and most tests seem to have been PDK. There's no sports chrono or sports seats, so that makes it slightly less likely to be a press car. It does have sports exhaust, PASM, short shift though.

First of all don't worry about a press car! This is my second and I'd buy another tomorrow, most of the really interesting stuff will likely be a press car. Easy way to tell is put the reg in google, a press car will be immediately apparent normally. If yours was then the press didn't drive it !
 
@ 997_2_C4S if no over revs then don't worry .. you will have to sort the corrosion which you are well aware of but its not as bad as it looks .. probably not cheap but nothing terminal .

A sad start to a new car but one that's once corrected .. and a few pounds spent will soon be forgotten .
 
Press cars typically have a special option code... I can't recall what but my first 4S had it on the spec label under the bonnet and service book.

Even if it is, they get massively overserviced by PCGB.

Have you spoken to Ashgood? Give them a chance to sort it to your satisfaction.
 
That doesn't qualify as a lemon in my view. A lemon tends to have trim falling off, poor paint, mechanical issues, oil weeping out, peculiar rattles and so on from the factory. Yours seems (only) to have some corrosion which you have spotted.
 
if you consider working on the car as your hobby; then you just have a bit more project work to do. it keeps us out of the pub
 
I wonder how many people have removed all the undertrays and gubbins on a 997 :dont know: Could this actually be pretty common :dont know:
 
I've seen under mine in the last week and other than the usual stuff like drive shafts, inner rear disc, exhaust hardware, everything is hunky dory.
 
Like FZP, mine looks very good underneath, that was a consideration when I bought it. However, it's recently started rusting and bubbling through the NS rear wheel arch, there a minor paint damage (stone chip?) on the wheel arch rim and the rust has got underneath and spread. It's an expensive repair because it requires a rear quarter respray so it's worth checking the wheel arches.
 
I'm sorry I posted the link to the test now, I didn't mean to worry you (it does seem that the test I linked to is your car, it mentions the shift shift specifically).

Personally it wouldn't bother me if it were a press car, as others have said it will have been well looked after by Porsche GB if it were.

Any potential problems like an over rev issue you would have seen on a PPI (please tell me you did an independent PPI....). As DeMort mentioned it looks like a car that's been living on the coast rather than one that's been caned. There isn't really any way that being a press car would cause more corrosion underneath.

Just enjoy it :thumb:
 
Journalists can't drive fast anyway, wouldn't worry about it, they're pencil pushers not racing drivers.

Plus if it were a press car it was maintained without consideration of cost and driven regularly. Both of which are better than it being sat in a garage and polished.

Just my 2 pence.
 

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